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The Casting of this series is extremely bad

The one big mistake they make with these prequel shows is that have far too many alien crew members! TOS only had Mr.Spock! I'm not sure if any of the regulars outside of Kirk, Scotty and McCoy, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov were from earth colonies but there were no aliens in the crew! Even on TNG we had Worf and Deanna Troi and Data who were technically not human but all the rest of the cast were!
JB
 
The one big mistake they make with these prequel shows is that have far too many alien crew members! TOS only had Mr.Spock! I'm not sure if any of the regulars outside of Kirk, Scotty and McCoy, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov were from earth colonies but there were no aliens in the crew! Even on TNG we had Worf and Deanna Troi and Data who were technically not human but all the rest of the cast were!
JB

Are you seriously complaining about there being too many aliens in a tv show that features a multi-species alliance of planets?
 
The one big mistake they make with these prequel shows is that have far too many alien crew members! TOS only had Mr.Spock! I'm not sure if any of the regulars outside of Kirk, Scotty and McCoy, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov were from earth colonies but there were no aliens in the crew! Even on TNG we had Worf and Deanna Troi and Data who were technically not human but all the rest of the cast were!
JB

It's simply a drift away from what the original conception and format of Star Trek was. It was developed in a specific cultural context and expectations have changed.

Are you seriously complaining about there being too many aliens in a tv show that features a multi-species alliance of planets?

How about too many supposed "aliens" that aren't plausible for a moment as anything other than actors in foam rubber drag? That, honestly, is the limitation of Star Trek that makes most of it irredeemably hokey these days.

One of the smartest things Ron Moore did with Battlestar Galactica was to keep "aliens" out of it altogether. Same with Whedon's Firefly.

If you want to do the "alien" thing, then the tone of the show better be brisk and fun and capable of embracing the unavoidable humor in the presentation - like Farscape or The Orville.
 
The one big mistake they make with these prequel shows is that have far too many alien crew members! TOS only had Mr.Spock! I'm not sure if any of the regulars outside of Kirk, Scotty and McCoy, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov were from earth colonies but there were no aliens in the crew! Even on TNG we had Worf and Deanna Troi and Data who were technically not human but all the rest of the cast were!
JB
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The one big mistake they make with these prequel shows is that have far too many alien crew members! TOS only had Mr.Spock! I'm not sure if any of the regulars outside of Kirk, Scotty and McCoy, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov were from earth colonies but there were no aliens in the crew! Even on TNG we had Worf and Deanna Troi and Data who were technically not human but all the rest of the cast were!
JB
Last time I checked, this show wasn't set on the Enterprise.
 
The one big mistake they make with these prequel shows is that have far too many alien crew members! TOS only had Mr.Spock! I'm not sure if any of the regulars outside of Kirk, Scotty and McCoy, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov were from earth colonies but there were no aliens in the crew! Even on TNG we had Worf and Deanna Troi and Data who were technically not human but all the rest of the cast were!
JB
Yeah, how dare They include numerous Aliens in a Science Fiction Show about a conglomeration of Exotic Beings from a large swath of the known galaxy.:scream:

Goodness sakes, one would think that in this day and age, They'd know better than to be all inclusive of multiple groups of immigrants.:shifty:

That's just begging to be condemned.
:rolleyes:

;)
 
It's simply a drift away from what the original conception and format of Star Trek was. It was developed in a specific cultural context and expectations have changed.



How about too many supposed "aliens" that aren't plausible for a moment as anything other than actors in foam rubber drag? That, honestly, is the limitation of Star Trek that makes most of it irredeemably hokey these days.

One of the smartest things Ron Moore did with Battlestar Galactica was to keep "aliens" out of it altogether. Same with Whedon's Firefly.

If you want to do the "alien" thing, then the tone of the show better be brisk and fun and capable of embracing the unavoidable humor in the presentation - like Farscape or The Orville.
Really?
 
I see it as a reboot, so I don't have an issue with the amount of aliens serving in this Federation. :shrug:
 
Star Trek aliens have the problem of being either very good or very bad. But mostly they are simply humans with lots of makeup, which can be distracting. Of course making real *alien* aliens could be expensive and also distracting. Depends on how they're written mostly.
 
It's a situation where we have no idea what real aliens look like so even our idea of "alien" is probably not what they'd look like. So, when it comes to Star Trek, or Babylon 5, or anything else of the like, you have to be willing to suspend disbelief. It's true now, it was true 50 years ago, it was true 100 years ago. There were people who weren't willing to suspend their disbelief back then either. It's nothing new. And we all know this isn't what the real 23rd or 24th Century will be like. Let's not pretend anyone is superior just because they know something everyone else knows. If you can't be bothered to suspend disbelief at all, you shouldn't even bother to watch in the first place.

Planet of the Apes (1968) has walking, talking chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans, but it doesn't take away from the impact of the film. So having walking, talking humanoids or humanoid-looking aliens doesn't mean you can't have anything serious at all, even despite of that. It's not a binary "one or the other" or "one size fits all" deal.
 
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...How about too many supposed "aliens" that aren't plausible for a moment as anything other than actors in foam rubber drag? That, honestly, is the limitation of Star Trek that makes most of it irredeemably hokey these days.

One of the smartest things Ron Moore did with Battlestar Galactica was to keep "aliens" out of it altogether. Same with Whedon's Firefly.

If you want to do the "alien" thing, then the tone of the show better be brisk and fun and capable of embracing the unavoidable humor in the presentation - like Farscape or The Orville.
Or as a viewer, maybe only care about the makeup just a little, but care more about more important aspects of the story's execution.

Sure, part of me still makes fun of the TOS and TNG aliens, especially TNG's "forehead of the week", but only a part of me does. The other part of me understands that the Star Trek franchise is a fictitious TV universe in which the important things are not the scientific accuracy of the aliens or the quality of their makeup, but rather the important thing is the story being told.

The Gorn costume in Arena was certainly silly, but the poor quality of the costume didn't distract me from enjoying the story they were telling.
 
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I find the casting in this series is excellent. From the protagonist to the secondary characters, they are all good and I don't think it's because I have low standards ^
I cannot complain.

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Thing is though, many forget that Nimoy's Spock was more emotional than how he is remembered now but he also looked very serious. He had that sort of resting bitch face, lol, where it seemed he was very often irritated by people.
He is intimidating, but below that cold facade there is a good guy with a gentle heart.


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Oh, he's so pretty. ♥
 
Spock is working on that...the emotional thing.
He's hoping to have those emotions under control in about 8 or 9 years.

Just three years before this season of DSC he was shouting about THE WOMEN!!!!!. I'd say he's remarkably reserved and under control for a Vulcan who all but went mad trying to unravel the mystery of the Red Angel.
 
TAS helped make up for the budgetary and makeup limitations of TOS by giving us Arex and M'Ress so one could conjecture that more exotic humanoids were aboard the Enterprise during Kirk's first five-year mission but just off-camera. Like how Chekov was clearly serving on the ship during Season 1 but we didn't actually see him until "Catspaw(TOS)." :whistle:
 
Or as a viewer, maybe only care about the makeup just a little, but care more about more important aspects of the story's execution.

Sure, part of me still makes fun of the TOS and TNG aliens, especially TNG's "forehead of the week", but only a part of me does. The other part of me understands that the Star Trek franchise is a fictitious TV universe in which the important things are not the scientific accuracy of the aliens or the quality of their makeup, but rather the important thing is the story being told.

The Gorn costume in Arena was certainly silly, but the poor quality of the costume didn't distract me from enjoying the story they were telling.
Except that it's not just, or primarily, the look of the aliens that's silly - it's just the first most immediately obvious failing.

That they're mainly convenient placeholders for all kinds of stereotyping that would annoy and offend people if the characters were human is the more annoying thing.

So much for the importance of the stories.
 
Except that it's not just, or primarily, the look of the aliens that's silly - it's just the first most immediately obvious failing.

That they're mainly convenient placeholders for all kinds of stereotyping that would annoy and offend people if the characters were human is the more annoying thing.

So much for the importance of the stories.
The aliens with flaws and issues in TOS and especially in TNG were supposed to represent the 20th century human audience and our own flaws and our own social issues. The 24th-century humans were supposed to be what we flawed 20th-century humans (and the alien analogs that represented us) could achieve if we worked at it.

Granted, sometimes some of the aspects those aliens representing us were indeed a stereotype, but those stereotypes held enough of a grain of truth that looking at those aliens was often a good, if sometimes overly simplistic, mirror of ourselves. But that's s Star Trek.
 
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Except that it's not just, or primarily, the look of the aliens that's silly - it's just the first most immediately obvious failing.

That they're mainly convenient placeholders for all kinds of stereotyping that would annoy and offend people if the characters were human is the more annoying thing.

So much for the importance of the stories.
Someone woke up cynical this morning. :lol:
 
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