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THE CAGE is coming to TOSR!!!!

Since, as I understand it, it was GENE who, around the time of the first movie, declared TAS no longer a part of the timeline

Tough shit on Gene. It aired, it's canon. Even if it sucked (like "Way to Eden," for example.)

Thank you, T'Bonz.

To further cloud the issue is the question of just what exactly did Gene say about TAS and why? He never said a word to Dorothy Fontana, David Gerrold, or Bjo Trimble about any supposed dissatisfaction with TAS (in fact, the Ballantine edition of Bjo's Star Trek Concordance, which features TAS heavily, sat on Roddenberry's desk all through TNG, and at no time, in all the many times she visited the set, did he indicate to Bjo that, should she do an updated version of the tome, to leave TAS out).

Best information points towards the whole matter having to do with the dissolution of Filmation in the late 1980's, and the sorting out of all its licensed properties, including TAS. In short, for legal reasons, writers for TNG, were not allowed to make references to TAS, until the lawyers had their say in determining who had what rights and how much Lou Scheimer and Co. needed to be paid.

By the time of DS9, the matter had been sorted out, TAS was now Paramount's, and the TAS references started seeping in. Sort of a backdoor canonization, if you will.

Besides, David Gerrold puts the whole matter in perspective in the featurette on the DVD set: It's called Star Trek, it aired on NBC, Gene Roddenberry had creative control of the thing, Dorothy Fontana was producing it, almost the entire original cast was in it, voicing their roles, most of the writers also wrote for TOS, many of the stories were originally intended for TOS, IT'S STAR TREK'S FOURTH SEASON!

If we can put up with "Spock's Brain" and "The Alternative Factor" in the timeline, I think we can include "The Magicks of Megas-Tu" and "The Counter-Clock Incident".
 
Actually (and I'm only going by memory here), doesn't the Chronology place all of TOS in the five year mission, TURNABOUT INTRUDER being towards it's end? Doesn't it leave TAS out of the timeline? Wasn't it said to be the second five year mission, which as we know from TMP never happened, since Kirk was promoted? There was no second five year mission, at least not in the original uniforms and with the ship still in its original design.

This, in my opinion, proves that TAS took place in an alternate Trek universe, and that glomars are NATURAL tribble predators, not genetic constructs. The Klingons LIE!!!
 
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If it was on the screen, had Roddenberry's name on it, was endorsed by him, produced by him, written by his staff, sold by Paramount and starred the original cast, it was part of the adventure. And no amount of bleating from Roddenberry or anyone else can change that. Books and comics, fine. None of that stuff is broadcast, it's just icing on the Trek cake for those who want.

But if met those other points, then it all happened within the confines of Trek's continuity. You don't have to enjoy the episodes to consider it canonical and tough shit if episodes stank. Every TV show has crappy episodes and one can't pick and choose what's official and what's not out of the aired shows. Roddenberry didn't want Trek 5 to be part of the canon either but too bad.

The title of the animated series was "Star Trek" and it was followed by "created by Geen Freaking Roddenberry." Just like 79 prior live action episodes. I hate it when people (like GR) decide something stinks years after the fact and years after everyone else thought it was the best animated series, storywise, to appear on Saturday mornings. It won an Emmy, for Christmas's sake and reviewers even suggested it be moved to prime time.

Why do people want to shrug off the one Emmy classic Trek won for something outside of a technical nomination?

Back in the day, when it originally aired, we were pretty effing happy to have that show. I still am.
 
Actually (and I'm only going by memory here), doesn't the Chronology place all of TOS in the five year mission, TURNABOUT INTRUDER being towards it's end? Doesn't it leave TAS out of the timeline? Wasn't it said to be the second five year mission, which as we know from TMP never happened, since Kirk was promoted? There was no second five year mission, at least not in the original uniforms and with the ship still in its original design.

This, in my opinion, proves that TAS took place in an alternate Trek universe, and that glomars are NATURAL tribble predators, not genetic constructs. The Klingons LIE!!!

Nice try, but wrong.

"Where No Man Has Gone Before" is about a year or so before the start of the five year mission, and the three seasons only account for three of those years. I also seem to recall a footnote pointing out Dorothy Fontana's stance that TAS would fit the bill nicely as TOS' fourth season.
 
The title of the animated series was "Star Trek" and it was followed by "created by Geen Freaking Roddenberry."

Whoever "Geen [sic] Freaking Roddenberry" was.

In any event, Paramount doesn't recognize it - and certainly not April - as part of the official continuity for Star Trek, and that's a good thing. "The Counter-Clock Incident" - like about three-quarters of TAS - is a very bad, very childish story and best forgotten...as it has been by all but a very few people.

Christopher Pike is the first captain of the Enterprise, as he always should have been.
 
Actually (and I'm only going by memory here), doesn't the Chronology place all of TOS in the five year mission, TURNABOUT INTRUDER being towards it's end? Doesn't it leave TAS out of the timeline? Wasn't it said to be the second five year mission, which as we know from TMP never happened, since Kirk was promoted? There was no second five year mission, at least not in the original uniforms and with the ship still in its original design.

This, in my opinion, proves that TAS took place in an alternate Trek universe, and that glomars are NATURAL tribble predators, not genetic constructs. The Klingons LIE!!!

Nice try, but wrong.

"Where No Man Has Gone Before" is about a year or so before the start of the five year mission, and the three seasons only account for three of those years. I also seem to recall a footnote pointing out Dorothy Fontana's stance that TAS would fit the bill nicely as TOS' fourth season.

Sort of hard to put a QUESTION into the catagory of "wrong" or "right".

What I did was ASK 'didn't the Chronology place all of TOS in the five year mission'?

At the time I forgot WNMHGB was, technically, still part of TOS. Since "The Cage" got added to the syndicated run, I supposse you could argue that it's part of TOS too, thus TOS covers a period starting 13 years BEFORE "The Menagerie".

That's not the point being made, tho'.

The fact is that the events of MOST of TOS cover the ENTIRE five year mission, with "Turnabout Intruder" being described as being at the end of the five year mission, leaving no room for TAS in the timeline.

Don't get me wrong. TAS is GREAT Star Trek. So are many of the novels, tho', and even some of the comic books. They're not canon either, however.

It's LIVE ACTION onscreen Trek that's counted as canon. Not the animated series. According to the "official timeline", anyway, which as we know is now in the process of being thrown out the window and overwritten.

*sigh*

Coals to New Castle, this is.
 
There is nice interview with Mike Okuda on trekmovie.com about remastered "The Cage" and TOS-R.

http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/29/exc...okuda-talking-the-cage-tos-r-on-blu-ray-more/

Here is my favorite part of interview:

There was one thing, it might have been on TrekMovie, they made a posting that they hated the original chronometer on Sulu’s console. I always thought it was a little charming, but I can see it. At one of our production meetings Dave Rossi said "make that person happy." It was one of those things that CBS Digital didn’t have the time to do it, so I foolishly said "I’ll do it." It is just a couple of shots, so I did the shots. What I didn’t realize is that whenever there is a chronometer I had to do it, and those shots always came up when I was crunched with something else.
When one of TOS-R guys was posting here (and I know MO himself reads this forum as well), I made an impassioned request for them to change the chronometer. So he is probably referring to me. If so, Thanks Mike & Dave, very appreciated.

Those of you dudes who love the ugly ass old chronometer I guess you can blame me. :) But I am happy, I just hated the old one.
 
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Actually (and I'm only going by memory here), doesn't the Chronology place all of TOS in the five year mission, TURNABOUT INTRUDER being towards it's end? Doesn't it leave TAS out of the timeline? Wasn't it said to be the second five year mission, which as we know from TMP never happened, since Kirk was promoted? There was no second five year mission, at least not in the original uniforms and with the ship still in its original design.

This, in my opinion, proves that TAS took place in an alternate Trek universe, and that glomars are NATURAL tribble predators, not genetic constructs. The Klingons LIE!!!

Nice try, but wrong.

"Where No Man Has Gone Before" is about a year or so before the start of the five year mission, and the three seasons only account for three of those years. I also seem to recall a footnote pointing out Dorothy Fontana's stance that TAS would fit the bill nicely as TOS' fourth season.
Hmm. I once plotted a lot of this stuff out to reach some sort of credible timeline for the Enterprise's voyages, including a reasonable amount of time bewteen events some of which were referenced onscreen. I came up with Kirk getting command of the ship near two years before TOS and the 5-year mission, WNMHGB happening about a year before the 5-year mission, and the three TOS seasons and TAS accounting for about four and a half years of the 5-year mission. This is somewhat supported by a reference in TMoST (released between the 2nd and 3rd seasons) that Kirk had commanded the Enterprise for "about four years." And so by the end of the voyage Kirk has commanded the Enterprise for around seven years.

The early episodes (excluding WNMHGB) strongly suggest that they're in the early weeks and months of their mission and not at the very begiining. Unlike today they felt no need for an origin story and simply got into the thick of things right off.

And out of curiosity I plotted the events according to their stardates, including TAS, and it oddly cleared up some chronological oddities. Except for "The Magicks Of Megas-Tus" whose stardate places it before WNMHGB. I had to fudge that one in similar fashion as Alan Dean Foster ignore the TAS stardates for his own purposes.

Just a thought
 
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I was glad to see this:

TrekMovie: So you are going to see the movie next week, what are your thoughts now towards this new Star Trek movie?

Mike Okuda: I am very excited. Everything we have seen looks like JJ Abrams has done it right. Everything suggests that they have the courage necessary to reinvent the franchise to re-energize it. That may sound like a small thing, but as you know Star Trek fans are very protective of what they love. Both Denise and I are very excited about it. The casting looks great and it certainly looks like the studio has given the resources to do a good job. And both Denise and I are big fans of Abrams from Alias and Lost. We used to watch Alias all the times in the art department.

I'd wondered how Mike was feeling about Star Trek. He's one of the good guys, for sure, has contributed inestimably to the success of Trek over the last twenty-plus years and I'm happy that he's happy about it.
 
I just wish i'd waited til now to buy the dvds, could have got the whole TOS for just about as much as paid for the first season alone....
 
Those of you dudes who love the ugly ass old chronometer I guess you can blame me. :) But I am happy, I just hated the old one.

I like the new one. I'll say thanks. ;)

Hmm. I once plotted a lot of this stuff out to reach some sort of credible timeline for the Enterprise's voyages, including a reasonable amount of time bewteen events some of which were referenced onscreen. I came up with Kirk getting command of the ship near two years before TOS and the 5-year mission, WNMHGB happening about a year before the 5-year mission, and the three TOS seasons and TAS accounting for about four and a half years of the 5-year mission. This is somewhat supported by a reference in TMoST (released between the 2nd and 3rd seasons) that Kirk had commanded the Enterprise for "about four years." And so by the end of the voyage Kirk has commanded the Enterprise for around seven years.

The early episodes (excluding WNMHGB) strongly suggest that they're in the early weeks and months of their mission and not at the very begiining. Unlike today they felt no need for an origin story and simply got into the thick of things right off.

And out of curiosity I plotted the events according to their stardates, including TAS, and it oddly cleared up some chronological oddities. Except for "The Magicks Of Megas-Tus" whose stardate places it before WNMHGB. I had to fudge that one in similar fashion as Alan Dean Foster ignore the TAS stardates for his own purposes.

Just a thought

I like this take. :)

I might also suggest that TMP offers some vague but good evidence that Captains (perhaps of the five year mission variety, anyway) take command of their ships immediately after they return from their previous mission and often serve through the refitting in the form of Captain Decker: 'he's been with this ship every minute of the refitting' according to the alien ensign.

So Kirk no doubt took command after Pike was reassigned, did the Barrier mission in 'WNMHGB' and then returned to dock to supervise the year-long refit in between this and the five year mission. Indeed, perhaps Captain Kirk was even in rank actually still a Commander from his prior destroyer command alluded to in 'TMoST' and this was what earned him his full promotion.

Now all we need is a good reason for Starfleet to have wanted Kirk to comand the barrier mission and a 'why' for when it took place when it did...

A spin around the block for Kirk to get used to how she handled? ;)
 
I find the new FX inobstrusive enough. I wish there were some variety in the standard flyby you get every episode, and the CGI Enterprise looks CGI, which in my book means the CGI fails to some degree.
Love the FX near the end of "Galileo 7" when Spock fires off the thrusters.

I also like that in some Eps, they left some things alone. The disruptors in "Taste of Armageddon" have no beam effect. I guess a disruptor would have an invisible shock wave.

And, the film is just so sharp and cleaned up. I haven't seen any in HD but even at DVD res it looks great.
 
The title of the animated series was "Star Trek" and it was followed by "created by Geen Freaking Roddenberry."

Whoever "Geen [sic] Freaking Roddenberry" was.

In any event, Paramount doesn't recognize it - and certainly not April - as part of the official continuity for Star Trek, and that's a good thing. "The Counter-Clock Incident" - like about three-quarters of TAS - is a very bad, very childish story and best forgotten...as it has been by all but a very few people.

Christopher Pike is the first captain of the Enterprise, as he always should have been.

Only in the Abramsverse.

Anyways, now that it's out...will Trekmovie be doing one of it's before/after screenshot articles on it?
 
I might also point out that in Mike Okuda's interview on Trekmovie.com, he clarified that he meant the line in the promos to be vague so as to not make out that Pike was the first captain.

And I hope to avoid any spoilery screenshots before I see the movie...
 
So does the "new" Cage air THIS weekend? Or next? I can't get a confirmation my local station is airing the pilot this week or not.
 
That means I'll have to check my local Fox affiliate at around 1:00 in the morning tonight. That's where the first of the two weekend TOS-R episodes was moved a while back. Thanks!
 
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