the BRAGA touch...

[RobertScorpio]

Because of all the STAR TREK seasons he was part of, I can always tell when Braga's hand is at play on 24. Be it up front, or behind the scenes.

Without spoiling too much, here was the latest 'braga' touch. Jack Bauer has kept his eye on a young buck, soldier if you will, making sure he doesn't get hurt. The actor playing the young dude looks like he just turned 14 years old, but there he is, running around as a young with a CTU unit, even about to lead an attack team.!!!

Meanwhile, the evil bad dudes (terrorist of course) have a young buck of their own whom they are preparing to be a suicide bomber.

Now..here comes the Braga touch. You know by watching the lead up episodes, and how 'similar' the two 'young bucks' are (both scared to be doing what they are doing) they will end up confronting...GASP..SHOCK...each other!!!

The Braga touch...alive and well.

Rob

How is a teenager commanding a special ops team the "Braga Touch?" Assuming you're referring to his work on Star Trek, than Braga never really had kids in situations like this. In fact the only time Trek even came close to something like this was with Wesley Crusher, but he left TNG right around the same time Braga first joined.

Oh, right, this is just an excuse to mock and belittle Brannon Braga. Yawn. Now that you've become the Cool Guy around here, go put your leather jacket on and strut about like you're something else.

I suppose now we're going to have to hear someone slam Rick Berman...?

I am NOT slamming Braga. You need to read more. I actually think he has saved 24.

As for Berman? I get laughed at when I try to make the point that, over all, his tenure was GOOD as the head of "STAR TREK".

Rob

 

[cardinal biggles]

But you still haven't answered the question: what episode of Star Trek — any series — where Brannon Braga has either a screenwriting or story credit features a plotline like the one you just mentioned? You keep babbling about how this plotline on 24 is "the Braga touch," but no one else can seem to remember when and where he used it before on Trek. So please, either enlighten us, or stop pulling threads out of your ass.

 

[RobertScorpio]

But you still haven't answered the question: what episode of Star Trek — any series — where Brannon Braga has either a screenwriting or story credit features a plotline like the one you just mentioned? You keep babbling about how this plotline on 24 is "the Braga touch," but no one else can seem to remember when and where he used it before on Trek. So please, either enlighten us, or stop pulling threads out of your ass.

Its called the BRAGA touch..meaning you can 'feel' his style in the way this situation was built up. The dialog, everything. Sure, it has been done before. But if you're watching 24, as I do, and have been watching since season one, as I have, you can not have done so without noticing the 'dialog' and 'flow of the show' being Braga inspired these past two seasons; and I mean that in a good way. Take that as you will, it really doesn't matter to me. But the show definately, with both Coto/Braga running it, has their stamp all over it...IMO.

Rob

 

[cardinal biggles]

So in other words, you either don't have an answer, or the answer would only be comprehenisble if I were you. Gotcha.

 

[RobertScorpio]

So in other words, you either don't have an answer, or the answer would only be comprehenisble if I were you. Gotcha.

I will educate you again, if it is to be my mission, so be it.

Last month I came upon a movie I had never seen before. It was called FROM THE HIP. It starred Judd Nelson and John Hurt. It wasn't a great movie, but it was a good movie. And John Hurt gave a great chilling performance as the killer.

But as I was watching it, I had the strange sensation that I had come across the writing style of the movie before. It just had a tone to it that seemed , oh, familiar. The movie came to an end and I found out who had written the movie. David E Kelly, who would go on to do BOSTON LEGAL, among other things. FROM THE HIP felt like BOSTON LEGAL.

I watch 24 religiously. I have since it started. And if you have too, which I guess you haven't, then you should be able to 'feel' the different writing styles over the years. And 24, whether you can 'feel' it or not, has that Braga feel to it now.

Its like when you see Spielberg movies, or movies he produces. You can 'feel' his hand guiding the movie, be it a scifi movie or drama like The color Purple. Now, whether or not YOU can feel Braga'a presense in 24's writing is really not the point of this thread now is it. I DO..and being that I am the OP of this thread, THAT is the point.

Leave your apple on my desk; class is over.

Rob

 

[cardinal biggles]

So then this is yet another "bow down before the idiosyncratic wisdom of RobertScorpio" thread.

My point (which was also Hermiod's point, and TheWormhole's point) is that you throw out the example of the subplot in the current season of 24:

Now..here comes the Braga touch. You know by watching the lead up episodes, and how 'similar' the two 'young bucks' are (both scared to be doing what they are doing) they will end up confronting...GASP..SHOCK...each other!!!

We're asking where else has Braga done this? How is this plot device a "Braga touch"?

Sorry, no apple. I got hungry waiting for you to answer, and ate it.

 

[DWMarch]

Here's some good old Braga touch, the use of [TECH]:

In season 7, Sean and Erica, the traitorous FBI agents are in a server room at FBI headquarters trying to prevent Chloe from decrypting something. Erica's dialogue was basically "All I need to do is reverse the polarity and route it through the deflector dish." It was seriously cut and paste "Just [TECH] the [TECH] and [TECH] will happen!"

 

[Cyke101]

If Jack Bauer gets doused with some kind of weaponized ecstacy and starts having mad hallucinations -- and somehow, someway the camera shows us exactly how bad his acid trip is (can you imagine how loud that ticking clock would be?), THEN I know that it's the Braga Touch. If anything, the guy wrote a lot of psychological, high-concept (though questionably-executed) Trek episodes.

 

[Hermiod]

If Jack Bauer gets doused with some kind of weaponized ecstacy and starts having mad hallucinations -- and somehow, someway the camera shows us exactly how bad his acid trip is (can you imagine how loud that ticking clock would be?), THEN I know that it's the Braga Touch. If anything, the guy wrote a lot of psychological, high-concept (though questionably-executed) Trek episodes.

If RobertScorpio had said something like that and pointed to an example of it in an actual episode of 24 this thread might make some sense.

I can think of many "Braga-isms" - over use of bullshit technical jargon, the presence of large breasted female characters, taking characters through their own "personal hell" etc from his time on Star Trek. Having two young characters on either side of a divide encounter each other wasn't really one of them.

The first one - the bullshit technical jargon - was something 24 was already guilty of when Braga was still writing for Star Trek.

24 has two main sides to each season - there's Jack running around stopping the terrorists and then there's the interpersonal relationships of a bunch of overworked IT people who do nothing but open up "sockets" and send stuff to other people's "screens" all day.

And still nobody has explained why Chloe or any of the other extremely intelligent technical people they've featured work for CTU. Why do they all work jobs where they are under threat of being fired if they take a bathroom break when they can go work for much easier going employers in the private sector and earn a lot more money than a government job will ever pay them ?

 

[Cyke101]

the presence of large breasted female characters

I hate to sound so shallow, but Katie Sackhoff changed to a shirt that, while fully buttoned up, seemed to show off a considerably large chest. Maybe Braga hired Sackhoff?

I make that joke while still recovering from the hotness that's near-naked Tarin Faroush. Ohboy.

 

[StarshipDefiant]

And still nobody has explained why Chloe or any of the other extremely intelligent technical people they've featured work for CTU. Why do they all work jobs where they are under threat of being fired if they take a bathroom break when they can go work for much easier going employers in the private sector and earn a lot more money than a government job will ever pay them ?

Now that I think of it, I have noticed this...how odd...

 

[The Wormhole]

If anything, the guy wrote a lot of psychological, high-concept (though questionably-executed) Trek episodes.

Hey, Phantasms is one of my favourites because it's unintentionally funny. Just the scene where Sigmund Freud lectures Picard about how to answer a phone and then gets shot by a coal miner has me laughing my ass off every time I watch it.

 

[Hermiod]

And still nobody has explained why Chloe or any of the other extremely intelligent technical people they've featured work for CTU. Why do they all work jobs where they are under threat of being fired if they take a bathroom break when they can go work for much easier going employers in the private sector and earn a lot more money than a government job will ever pay them ?

Now that I think of it, I have noticed this...how odd...

At the start of the season it was explained that Morris had lost his job and so Chloe had to go back to CTU to make money.

Why ? Chloe is a highly skilled professional. Even in tough times she could easily find a better paid job with the kind of flexible hours mothers often need as well - and she wouldn't have the standard CTU management moron looming over her the whole time.

the presence of large breasted female characters

I hate to sound so shallow, but Katie Sackhoff changed to a shirt that, while fully buttoned up, seemed to show off a considerably large chest. Maybe Braga hired Sackhoff?

I suspect the whole Battlestar Galactica thing had something to do with that.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Katee Sackhoff has a cult following and plenty of screen presence. She's been cast as the lead in a show for the 2010-11 pilot season and I don't think Braga was involved.

Here's some good old Braga touch, the use of [TECH]:

In season 7, Sean and Erica, the traitorous FBI agents are in a server room at FBI headquarters trying to prevent Chloe from decrypting something. Erica's dialogue was basically "All I need to do is reverse the polarity and route it through the deflector dish." It was seriously cut and paste "Just [TECH] the [TECH] and [TECH] will happen!"

Yeah, that's more like what I think of as the Braga touch - tho he didn't invent Treknobabble.

Also: female characters who are chilly and emotionally distant, who pose a challenge if the right guy could just "melt" her. Katee's character doesn't fit that model and neither does anyone else on 24 this season.

And still nobody has explained why Chloe or any of the other extremely intelligent technical people they've featured work for CTU. Why do they all work jobs where they are under threat of being fired if they take a bathroom break when they can go work for much easier going employers in the private sector and earn a lot more money than a government job will ever pay them ?

Because if she quit, Chloe would worry that the doofus that replaced her would botch things up and the world really would go kaboom. Hey, if I had a job where we prevented total catastrophes on a regular basis, I might be frightened to leave. If I stayed, at least I would know when the world might go kaboom. Otherwise, I'd be thinking about it all the time (damn ticking clock in my HEAD won't STOP!) but powerless to stop it.

 

[Cyke101]

And still nobody has explained why Chloe or any of the other extremely intelligent technical people they've featured work for CTU. Why do they all work jobs where they are under threat of being fired if they take a bathroom break when they can go work for much easier going employers in the private sector and earn a lot more money than a government job will ever pay them ?

Now that I think of it, I have noticed this...how odd...

At the start of the season it was explained that Morris had lost his job and so Chloe had to go back to CTU to make money.

Why ? Chloe is a highly skilled professional. Even in tough times she could easily find a better paid job with the kind of flexible hours mothers often need as well - and she wouldn't have the standard CTU management moron looming over her the whole time.

the presence of large breasted female characters

I hate to sound so shallow, but Katie Sackhoff changed to a shirt that, while fully buttoned up, seemed to show off a considerably large chest. Maybe Braga hired Sackhoff?

I suspect the whole Battlestar Galactica thing had something to do with that.

If we're still comparing 24 to Star Trek because of Braga, then I prefer to call her Starbuck of Nine, thank-you-very-much!