Spoilers The Boys Season 4 Discussion ( Spoilers)

[FPAlpha]

Eh, Ryan hasn't yet done anything that can be categorized as evil, and when he has killed people it's been either accidental, like Becca or the stunt guy earlier in this season, or been in self defense, Mallory was planning imprisoning him. Even then, actually killing her might have been accidental as well, though that could be open to discussion.

I think it was pretty evident it was an accident. Ryan has no training yet and is an emotional teenager. When a human teenager gets a tantrum or loses control it usually doesn't do much if any damage, with Ryan it's different obviously.

Starting to really not like Starlight. Finding her such a selfish self-righteous cow.

Hughie basically gets raped in the worst way possible in a BDSM dungeon and by a shape shifter and she all "me me me me me poor me" and worse in the latest episode blaming him.

I think that went pretty realistically ( when you factor in the superhero/weird powers angle). Hughie had no way to know it wasn't Annie as the shifter was also capable of copying memories giving her the ability to make a near perfect copy. Hughie just knows Annie so well that he started to notice the little things.

Yes, Annie was mad and she was unfair but when Hughie explained some things she cooled down and basically apologized just without using the word Sorry so it's all good between them ( once he gets tested that is ).

One thing i forgot to mention - i think Butcher as a person is dead and the Kessler tumor controls his body. Kessler is suspiciously not talking anymore at the end ( could be also because it's a montage with music) amd Butcher seemed perfectly fine when he tore Neuman apart and drove off.

 

[The Wormhole]

One thing i forgot to mention - i think Butcher as a person is dead and the Kessler tumor controls his body. Kessler is suspiciously not talking anymore at the end ( could be also because it's a montage with music) amd Butcher seemed perfectly fine when he tore Neuman apart and drove off.

I dunno, the look Butcher gave Hughie just before killing Neuman felt like there's still something of the old Butcher within, it's just not dominant anymore. At the very least, if the Kessler tumor were in complete control, there'd be no need for a manifestation of Kessler to continue appearing to Butcher.

Plus, I can't imagine the entire final season is going to have Butcher as as soulless puppet controlled by his tumor. There's no way we're not going to see the old Butcher resurface at some point.

 

[Jayson1]

I dunno, the look Butcher gave Hughie just before killing Neuman felt like there's still something of the old Butcher within, it's just not dominant anymore. At the very least, if the Kessler tumor were in complete control, there'd be no need for a manifestation of Kessler to continue appearing to Butcher.

Plus, I can't imagine the entire final season is going to have Butcher as as soulless puppet controlled by his tumor. There's no way we're not going to see the old Butcher resurface at some point.

If they did say Butcher has been dead that would kind of remind me what they did with Locke in the final season of "Lost."

 

[FPAlpha]

I dunno, the look Butcher gave Hughie just before killing Neuman felt like there's still something of the old Butcher within, it's just not dominant anymore. At the very least, if the Kessler tumor were in complete control, there'd be no need for a manifestation of Kessler to continue appearing to Butcher.

Plus, I can't imagine the entire final season is going to have Butcher as as soulless puppet controlled by his tumor. There's no way we're not going to see the old Butcher resurface at some point.

If he's dead they'll probably drag the confirmation out as long as they can or at least keep it ambivalent.

 

[StarMan]

I binge watched the season over the last couple of days.

I enjoyed it. However, it felt there may have been a bit of wheel spinning going on. The story was not as engaging as previous seasons.

It's a weaker season relative to the first three, but still delivers.

Probably the right call to wrap the series up.

 

[FPAlpha]

I binge watched the season over the last couple of days.

I enjoyed it. However, it felt there may have been a bit of wheel spinning going on. The story was not as engaging as previous seasons.

It's a weaker season relative to the first three, but still delivers.

Probably the right call to wrap the series up.

Agreed. When you use the same basic plot every season because you can't kill off your main villain ( because he's so popular and well played) you have a problem. If they had continued past season 5 by repeating this every season the show would have turned into a complete joke.

Now i am really looking forward to season 5, there are no more limits and they can go all in in every direction they want.

 

[Saul]

I binge watched the season over the last couple of days.

I enjoyed it. However, it felt there may have been a bit of wheel spinning going on. The story was not as engaging as previous seasons.

It's a weaker season relative to the first three, but still delivers.

Probably the right call to wrap the series up.

The plot of season 4 gets bogged down with action and gore. There was a big election plotline this season but they really didn't explore it. They just had mentions of it and then "oh, the president was elected" and I'm like huh? That's it? Why not do more with that idea? Even from the promo pics of season 4 it seemed that's what it would be.
It's unfortunate the show focuses more on how gory they can make it rather than how interesting they can make it.

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm okay with them skipping over the election. I just don't see what they could have done with that that would make it interesting and not have some rather glaringly obvious real world parallels. And indeed, there's plenty of electoral drama going on in the real world at the moment, I don't need it in my entertainment.

 

[FreezeC77]

I wonder if after discovering Soldier Boy if Homelander may have his cells experimented on. Soldier Boy is his biological Father, but Soldier Boy seems to not age (or age substantially slower) than Homelander appears to be. Soldier Boy was in his mid 60s when the Russians got him.

Maybe some kind of blood transfusion or bone-marrow transplant for Homelander to try to slow his aging down.

 

[The Wormhole]

I wonder if after discovering Soldier Boy if Homelander may have his cells experimented on. Soldier Boy is his biological Father, but Soldier Boy seems to not age (or age substantially slower) than Homelander appears to be. Soldier Boy was in his mid 60s when the Russians got him.

Maybe some kind of blood transfusion or bone-marrow transplant for Homelander to try to slow his aging down.

Although, you'd think all those years Soldier Boy was held by the Russians they'd have tried something similar, it doesn't seem to have worked.

 

[matthunter]

I wonder if after discovering Soldier Boy if Homelander may have his cells experimented on. Soldier Boy is his biological Father, but Soldier Boy seems to not age (or age substantially slower) than Homelander appears to be. Soldier Boy was in his mid 60s when the Russians got him.

Maybe some kind of blood transfusion or bone-marrow transplant for Homelander to try to slow his aging down.

Stormfront had delayed aging too and got the earlier version of the formula like Soldier Boy...

Why Homelander ages and they didn't is not clear - theories range from "original formula had a lower survival rate but those that survived got delayed aging, plus were injected as adults" to "delayed aging is just part of the random powerset and Homelander didn't get that one" to "Homelander is burning up faster because of his higher power level".

 

[The Wormhole]

"Homelander is burning up faster because of his higher power level".

I don't know about "burning up faster." Homelander is supposed to be in his early forties at this point and appears to be physically aging appropriately.

 

[theenglish]

Stormfront had delayed aging too and got the earlier version of the formula like Soldier Boy...

Why Homelander ages and they didn't is not clear - theories range from "original formula had a lower survival rate but those that survived got delayed aging, plus were injected as adults" to "delayed aging is just part of the random powerset and Homelander didn't get that one" to "Homelander is burning up faster because of his higher power level".

Maybe it is a failsafe of some sort.

 

[matthunter]

I'm leaning more towards the "got the shot as adults" angle - since the recipients were adults, the formula could contain the anti-aging bit. But you couldn't guarantee a strong supe (Soldier Boy and Stormfront were the cream of the crop) so they went with dosing prenatally, but had to remove the immortality/delayed aging part so the kids could grow normally.

Of course, some modern supes aren't "all that" (looking at you Firecracker) but probably you do get a higher proportion of stronger ones.

 

[The Wormhole]

New spinoff announced, Vought Rising, a prequel set in the 1950s about Vought's early years featuring Soldier Boy and Stormfront.

‘The Boys’ Prequel Series ‘Vought Rising’ Starring Jensen Ackles & Aya Cash Ordered By Prime Video

‘The Boys’ prequel series, titled ‘Vought Rising’ will premiere on Amazon Prime Video with Jensen Ackles and Aya Cash starring.

deadline.com

 

[Aragorn]

Did you know Hughie is taller than Homelander? It's all about the framing.

 

[The Wormhole]

Well, I remember noticing during the SNW-Lower Decks crossover last year that Jack Quaid is really tall compared to the SNW cast. Even within The Boys the show, Hughie is said to be in dialogue to be six feet tall.

 

[TedShatner10]

What's the point of showing us Deep's internal trauma with the octopus when he's just a one-note avatar for twisted machismo now and Homelander's #1 toady?

It was supposed to be the Deep's final tragicomic inflection point and he's now beyond redemption (the same way Butcher gave up).

 

[Thestral]

It was a waste of time.

 

[oktay]

New spinoff announced, Vought Rising, a prequel set in the 1950s about Vought's early years featuring Soldier Boy and Stormfront.

‘The Boys’ Prequel Series ‘Vought Rising’ Starring Jensen Ackles & Aya Cash Ordered By Prime Video

‘The Boys’ prequel series, titled ‘Vought Rising’ will premiere on Amazon Prime Video with Jensen Ackles and Aya Cash starring.

deadline.com

‘The Boys’ Spin-off ‘Vought Rising’ Gets Its Writers’ Room

Vought Rising, spinoff from the acclaimed show The Boys, has its writers’ room.

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