Spoilers The Bad Batch - Season 1 Discussion [cue A-Team theme music]

[Reverend]

They had to remove one y chromosome and replace it with an x chromosome. You can't just deactivate an y chromosome and get a female living being. And just adding an x chromosome (xxy) would result in the klinefelter syndrome.

These are all alterations to the genetic code. So therefore she can't be an unaltered clone by definition.

By definition, alteration is a deliberate act. Mutation on the other is down to random chance. By inference, her being female was either not an intended outcome, or done to hide her nature from the Republic/Empire by having her in plain sight.

Regardless, the salient point is that she doesn't have the altered docility, accelerated aging, or the implanted control chip (nor the further alterations presumably required for interfacing), leaving all of the genotype's autosomes intact and stable.
Fiddling around with the allosomes is trivial compared to attempting to reverse engineer the original sequencing from radically altered clone progeny. It'd be like trying to unscramble eggs.

 

[Turtletrekker]

By definition, alteration is a deliberate act. Mutation on the other is down to random chance. By inference, her being female was either not an intended outcome, or done to hide her nature from the Republic/Empire by having her in plain sight.

Regardless, the salient point is that she doesn't have the altered docility, accelerated aging, or the implanted control chip (nor the further alterations presumably required for interfacing), leaving all of the genotype's autosomes intact and stable.
Fiddling around with the allosomes is trivial compared to attempting to reverse engineer the original sequencing from radically altered clone progeny. It'd be like trying to unscramble eggs.

I think we can all agree with this.

 

[The Wormhole]

I mean he already has like 5 million other siblings, why would one more matter to him?

He has five million brothers, but only one sister.

 

[Reverend]

He has five million brothers, but only one sister.

And? How does that make her more important to him? Also keep in mind he's *killed* a number of those "brothers".

 

[Shawnster]

And? How does that make her more important to him? Also keep in mind he's *killed* a number of those "brothers".

She's also unaltered, just like Boba. To our knowledge, Omega is the only Clone that can make that claim. So, unlike all the other clones, Boba could feel closer to Omega since her life experience from birth closely matches his. Not exactly, since Boba was raised by Jango, but similar enough since she's growing at a natural rate and lacks the genetic programming the clone soldiers received.

There is only 1 person in the universe that can understand where Boba is coming from and who can truly empathize. And vice versa.

 

[Reverend]

She's also unaltered, just like Boba. To our knowledge, Omega is the only Clone that can make that claim. So, unlike all the other clones, Boba could feel closer to Omega since her life experience from birth closely matches his. Not exactly, since Boba was raised by Jango, but similar enough since she's growing at a natural rate and lacks the genetic programming the clone soldiers received.

There is only 1 person in the universe that can understand where Boba is coming from and who can truly empathize. And vice versa.

I get the impression that the last thing Boba wants is someone that makes him seem even less unique than he already is. Besides; she wasn't raised by Jango. That's the only thing that *really* distinguishes Boba from any of the other clones, why he still considers himself his son and the only way he'd feel even remotely close to Omega. Since that's not the case, she'd be just another clone to him. Who cares what's in the genes?

I won't be surprised if he shows up, but I will be surprised if he give a crap or feels any kind of connection.

 

[JD]

Boba was not an EXACT duplicate of Jango; he was an UNALTERED clone. Not the same thing.
There ain't no such thing as an exact duplicate of any lifeform, not in mammalian twins or asexually reproducing invertebrates or algae colonies. There's always variations and mutations as cells divide and replicate; genes will express themselves in different ways based on stimuli and that's not even getting to the whole field of epigenetics that can cause various genes to toggle on and off during the course of an organism's lifespan, causing different inheritable traits to emerge without altering the gene sequence itself. We are as much shaped by nurture as we are by nature as the one reacts to the other.

Whether Omega's biological sex was the result of random chance or deliberate tampering remains to be seen. Though if the point of creating her was precisely to have another unaltered clone in reserve then the former seems most likely.


At this point they have over a decade and change's experience with the Fett genotype, along with all the customised infrastructure. A new template/donor means starting over basically from scratch, and time is clearly a factor here.

OK, sounds exact duplicate was the wrong way to describe Boba.

By definition, alteration is a deliberate act. Mutation on the other is down to random chance. By inference, her being female was either not an intended outcome, or done to hide her nature from the Republic/Empire by having her in plain sight.

Regardless, the salient point is that she doesn't have the altered docility, accelerated aging, or the implanted control chip (nor the further alterations presumably required for interfacing), leaving all of the genotype's autosomes intact and stable.
Fiddling around with the allosomes is trivial compared to attempting to reverse engineer the original sequencing from radically altered clone progeny. It'd be like trying to unscramble eggs.

OK, that's a fair point.

 

[Shawnster]

That's the only thing that *really* distinguishes Boba from any of the other clones, why he still considers himself his son and the only way he'd feel even remotely close to Omega.

I disagree. I think growing from infant to toddler to child to adult in a normal aging process also distinguishes Boba (and Omega) from the rest of the clones that were rapidly aged from embryo to adult.

This would include learning and years of life experience

 

[fireproof78]

I highly doubt Boba will care much.

 

[Josh Kelton]

By definition, alteration is a deliberate act. Mutation on the other is down to random chance. By inference, her being female was either not an intended outcome, or done to hide her nature from the Republic/Empire by having her in plain sight.

Probably intended, since in episode 2, it's stated that the Kaminoans don't create without a purpose.

 

[Reverend]

Probably intended, since in episode 2, it's stated that the Kaminoans don't create without a purpose.

Well the purpose here is to have a pure clone of the original DNA, not necessarily to have it be in the form of a particular gender.

Seriously; I think people are getting a little hung up of the "importance" of a y-chromosome here.
The reality is that by and large, the y-chromosome is all but superfluous. Pretty much the only useful thing it does is carry the SRY gene. I mean think about it; all the important allosome related genes HAS to be on the x-chromosome or else how could females be viable organisms with two of them and no help from a Y at all? Hell, some species of mammals (a particular rat group IIRC?) managed to degrade their y-chromosome to such an extent that it's been entirely bred out. Gone. No y-chromosome at all...and yet no shortage of x-chromosome only males.
Remember life is not designed; our systems are a hodge-podge of billions of years of compounded make-do and mend adaptations. There's all kinds of redundancies, inherit "garbage" genes, and mutations that offer not particular advantage, but also don't negatively affect survival and so got swept along with everything else in the name of natural selection.

 

[Shawnster]

Screen Crush interpreted the Kaminoans as arms dealers and the purpose of Omega might be the creation of another clone army possibly for the use by Jedi remnants or some other organization that might want their own versions of the clone army. Perhaps this causes Palpatine and the Empire to exterminate the Kaminoans.

There is still the thinking that Omega might be Force sensitive and that Palpatine will plunder Kaminoan tech to build his base on Exogol and begin his secret cloning experiments.

 

[fireproof78]

Exegol! Exegol!

 

[Finn]

Screen Crush interpreted the Kaminoans as arms dealers and the purpose of Omega might be the creation of another clone army possibly for the use by Jedi remnants or some other organization that might want their own versions of the clone army. Perhaps this causes Palpatine and the Empire to exterminate the Kaminoans.

There is still the thinking that Omega might be Force sensitive and that Palpatine will plunder Kaminoan tech to build his base on Exogol and begin his secret cloning experiments.

What about that place we saw in The Mandlorian? After Kamino but before Exegol?

 

[Tuskin38]

What about that place we saw in The Mandlorian? After Kamino but before Exegol?

Exactly. And the doctor in Mando, his uniform had the same symbol on it that the Jango clones had in AOTC and Clone Wars.

Plus the music in the scene with the failed experiments in Mando had part of Snoke’s theme in it iirc

 

[Shawnster]

What about that place we saw in The Mandlorian? After Kamino but before Exegol?

Exactly. And the doctor in Mando, his uniform had the same symbol on it that the Jango clones had in AOTC and Clone Wars.

You mean an Imperial official working on a secret project that might have been implemented under Palpatine's direction? I don't see much of a problem. Plus, the general feeling through these speculative videos is that the Kaminoan clone project with Omega leads to the Grogu connection. The feeling being it's taking decades for Palpatine to figure out how to grow a Force sensitive clone or clone body that he can eventually transfer his consciousness into. As stated in this discussion, clones aren't normally supposed to be Force sensitive. Apparently the thought is they need to figure out how to jump that hurdle

Honestly, I'd rather Omega not be Force sensitive but that she holds some other surprises for us.

 

[Tuskin38]

Well, Palpatine's body in TROS I'm pretty sure only had the force because his spirit possessed it.

I could be mistaken.

 

[Campe]

Well, Palpatine's body in TROS I'm pretty sure only had the force because his spirit possessed it.

I could be mistaken.

So, his spirit had midichlorians? I mean, its a fictional universe with a mystical force controlling everything, so sure, why not?

 

[The Wormhole]

Well, Palpatine's body in TROS I'm pretty sure only had the force because his spirit possessed it.

I could be mistaken.

Yeah, you're probably mistaken. According to the novelization, Rey's father was considered a failed Palpatine clone because he couldn't use the Force. If the Palpatine body in Rise of Skywalker could use the Force, it was because of reasons other than because Palpatine's spirit was inhabiting it.

To say nothing of the fact the novelization also claims Snoke was another Palpatine clone, and he definitely could use the Force, but was definitely not inhabited by Palpatine's spirit.

 

[fireproof78]

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