Spoilers The Bad Batch - Season 1 Discussion [cue A-Team theme music]

[Saul]

Omega having force potential is still not off the table, is it?
A new clone Jedi order may be too wild a guess?

Snoke.
Somethings going on. Whether it ties into the clone stuff going on in the Mandalorian remains to be seen. But interesting that we have similar plot lines with Omega and Grogu.

Anyway, great episode. Cad Bane fails to disappoint.

Honestly at this point, who cares about Snoke? He's not interesting or important, or even really a character.

Dave Floni says "hold my Beer".

 

[KennyB]

My point being, if they're sneaking around behind the Empire's back then the "contingency" is obviously going to be something *for them*, not for anyone else. If it was a special commission for Sidious (which is what such a thing would be) then you can bet he'd made sure they had every resource they needed, and wouldn't saddle them with some bureaucrat of an Admiral. He hasn't and they are, ergo: probably not Snoke. It just doesn't fit.

Honestly at this point, who cares about Snoke? He's not interesting or important, or even really a character. He was/is/will be a meat puppet, and then a dead meat puppet. There's no mystery to unpack there, no depths to plumb, so I don't see why they'd bother setting up a multi-arc mystery explaining how he came to be. Sure this may be the first step along the road to the Empire's own strand-cast program that connects this to both the ST and 'The Mandalorian', but that's a footnote at best, not that point of the whole story. I mean Snoke has already been at the centre of one anti-climax, why go for an encore?

K

 

[fireproof78]

Honestly at this point, who cares about Snoke?

I care.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I only cared because Andy Serkis was completely wasted. Alas.

 

[Tyr]

Well too late, they confirmed in today's episode that Omega is a Jango clone.

She may be a Jango clone, but she can't be an unaltered one. That's what I wrote. Not that she can't be a clone at all...

 

[Reverend]

She may be a Jango clone, but she can't be an unaltered one. That's what I wrote. Not that she can't be a clone at all...

Unaltered in the sense that she has no modifications to the genetic code. No accelerated growth or adjusted behaviour, and thus a solid baseline for a new generation of clones without the problem of diminishing returns.
Yes her sex is different that Jango's and Boba's, but you might be surprised about how little that actually matters from a genetic POV.

Remember that the X & Y chromosomes only make up one pair of 23 in the human genome, and that's not even including Mitochondrial DNA, which generally only passes down the female line (the force only knows how midichlorial DNA factors into it.) And even in nature these aren't hard and fast rules since people can have two X's and one Y, other extra chromosomes and many other variations...and then there's also epigenetics. Organic life is very adaptable, right down the the basic chemistry...if it wasn't then it wouldn't have existed for very long.
So for a people very adept at manipulating genes, a subject's biological sex is about as relevant to their work as their hair colour or blood type. Any and all can be manipulated.

 

[fireproof78]

Paging Dr. Wu.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

but you might be surprised about how little that actually matters from a genetic POV.

Really they would just have to adjust the armor sizing before going back to mass producing it.

 

[Reverend]

Really they would just have to adjust the armor sizing before going back to mass producing it.

Oh no, a minor equipment adjustment! The plain is foiled!

Seriously though; as I think I illustrated above, getting a new line of male clones would be trivially easy if that's what they wanted.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Seriously though; as I think I illustrated above, getting a new line of male clones would be trivially easy if that's what they wanted.

Probably depends if its cheaper to just make female clones or not since the other issue they have is recruits are cheaper than clones.

 

[Finn]

She may be a Jango clone, but she can't be an unaltered one. That's what I wrote. Not that she can't be a clone at all...

Maybe they meant they didn't remove or add any genes. They may have simply deactivated certain genes or something like that.

 

[JD]

Not that I'm aware of. But the fact that Dex knows of them as "damn good cloners" by reputation alone is enough to indicate 1) they've been active for some time and 2) they're not the only cloners around.

The larger question there is between Sifo-Dias, Dooku and Palpatine how ; how did they secure the funds from the Republic necessary to get this all rolling *without* it leaving a paper trail straight back to the Sith? I mean I can't see even a Jedi Council member having anything like that much in terms of discretionary funds, and there's no way the Kaminoans would dedicate all that time and resources on credit alone.

That is a good question.

Unaltered in the sense that she has no modifications to the genetic code. No accelerated growth or adjusted behaviour, and thus a solid baseline for a new generation of clones without the problem of diminishing returns.
Yes her sex is different that Jango's and Boba's, but you might be surprised about how little that actually matters from a genetic POV.

Remember that the X & Y chromosomes only make up one pair of 23 in the human genome, and that's not even including Mitochondrial DNA, which generally only passes down the female line (the force only knows how midichlorial DNA factors into it.) And even in nature these aren't hard and fast rules since people can have two X's and one Y, other extra chromosomes and many other variations...and then there's also epigenetics. Organic life is very adaptable, right down the the basic chemistry...if it wasn't then it wouldn't have existed for very long.
So for a people very adept at manipulating genes, a subject's biological sex is about as relevant to their work as their hair colour or blood type. Any and all can be manipulated.

Even if it's a minor change, she would still not be an exact duplicate of Jango, the way that Boba was.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Even Boba wouldn’t be an exact duplicate.
Clones are basically like „identical“ twins.
Yes, they have the same cell origin, but during maturation in the womb, or petri dish in this case,
They will develop differences in gene expression.
The most famous differences are finger prints, identical twins don’t share those.
And that‘s just one example.
The longer they develop, the more differences will appear.
I mean, look at the Bad Batch.
This is exactly the reason why they all look related, like the brothers they are, but are otherwise different in body build, character, talents, skills and overall appearance.

 

[Shawnster]

Maybe the want her for a different purpose.

Why not find a new donor? What made Jango unique?

 

[Reverend]

Even if it's a minor change, she would still not be an exact duplicate of Jango, the way that Boba was.

Boba was not an EXACT duplicate of Jango; he was an UNALTERED clone. Not the same thing.
There ain't no such thing as an exact duplicate of any lifeform, not in mammalian twins or asexually reproducing invertebrates or algae colonies. There's always variations and mutations as cells divide and replicate; genes will express themselves in different ways based on stimuli and that's not even getting to the whole field of epigenetics that can cause various genes to toggle on and off during the course of an organism's lifespan, causing different inheritable traits to emerge without altering the gene sequence itself. We are as much shaped by nurture as we are by nature as the one reacts to the other.

Whether Omega's biological sex was the result of random chance or deliberate tampering remains to be seen. Though if the point of creating her was precisely to have another unaltered clone in reserve then the former seems most likely.

Maybe the want her for a different purpose.

Why not find a new donor? What made Jango unique?

At this point they have over a decade and change's experience with the Fett genotype, along with all the customised infrastructure. A new template/donor means starting over basically from scratch, and time is clearly a factor here.

 

[Booji]

I wonder if Boba is gonna find out about lil sis. If not now, maybe in Book of Boba.

 

[fireproof78]

Could make Boba more interesting. Maybe.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Could make Boba more interesting. Maybe.

Long shot at best and it still wouldn't be because of him.

 

[Reverend]

I mean he already has like 5 million other siblings, why would one more matter to him?

 

[Tyr]

Maybe they meant they didn't remove or add any genes. They may have simply deactivated certain genes or something like that.

They had to remove one y chromosome and replace it with an x chromosome. You can't just deactivate an y chromosome and get a female living being. And just adding an x chromosome (xxy) would result in the klinefelter syndrome.

These are all alterations to the genetic code. So therefore she can't be an unaltered clone by definition.