Pfft…. I never found her annoying in the least. I was pleasantly surprised how she had more situational awareness than most of the “masters” she was running with. Wesley Crusher she was not.
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I'd binge-watch the Jecki show, if it ever were to drop.
Yep, me too. The biggest problem with Wesley (I'm assuming this is one of those to whom Jecki is being unfairly compared) is that he had no self-awareness. He was usually written as kind of a smug (yet oblivious) know-it-all for whom most things came very easily without any apparent formal training. He just bimbled onto the bridge one day (a highly secured and restricted area on most sea-going vessels, civilian, commercial or otherwise), knew what every system did and told the senior officers how to do their jobs. At the same time, he always seemed to pine for acceptance and recognition from everyone. He had zero self-confidence, likely stemming from the death of his father - a man he barely even knew (died when Wesley was 5).
Parenthetically, and for the record, I don't fault Wil Wheaton as an actor at all with any of that. It was all Roddenberry and the writers he forced to write that contrived dreck for the early seasons before finally being deposed by Paramount.
Anyways, it was clear that Jecki trained and studied HARD to get where she was. Yes, she could also be considered a child prodigy, but she still had a competence and confidence that far surpassed (IMO) Wesley in pretty much every measurable way. I guess that's why I never found her "annoying" as other fans. Unlike Wesley, she earned her place and payed the ultimate price like a warrior going down fighting for her colleagues and the person she was sent to acquire and protect. If the Jedi Council had any scruples or honor (and they demonstrably don't, based on V's duplicity), they should have at the very least promoted her to the rank of Knight posthumously after that shit-show. Instead, they would rather leave the whole incident buried and forgotten.
Parenthetically, and for the record, I don't fault Wil Wheaton as an actor at all with any of that. It was all Roddenberry and the writers he forced to write that contrived dreck for the early seasons before finally being deposed by Paramount.
Anyways, it was clear that Jecki trained and studied HARD to get where she was. Yes, she could also be considered a child prodigy, but she still had a competence and confidence that far surpassed (IMO) Wesley in pretty much every measurable way. I guess that's why I never found her "annoying" as other fans. Unlike Wesley, she earned her place and payed the ultimate price like a warrior going down fighting for her colleagues and the person she was sent to acquire and protect. If the Jedi Council had any scruples or honor (and they demonstrably don't, based on V's duplicity), they should have at the very least promoted her to the rank of Knight posthumously after that shit-show. Instead, they would rather leave the whole incident buried and forgotten.
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Jecki was not annoying.
Yord was annoying. Vernestra was annoying. Hell, Sol was bloody annoying too, but not Jecki.
All this - QFT.
I also found Master Trinity a bit annoying too. She showed particularly bad judgment as head of the initial expedition to get the twins.
I really liked Jecki and she really showed a lot of growth. On my most recent rewatch I grew to like Yord as well, and found Sol a tragic character.
I'd be hard pressed to find any character annoying.
I'd be hard pressed to find any character annoying.
I agree. I had no problems with Yord, he was still young, and had a lot to learn, none of the Jedi deserved to die like they did
I agree with everything here except with Yord. Self-confidence is one thing - Jecki had that without going into full ego-mode - Yord took it up to 11 and made sure everyone around him knew it and his blind hubris (and a stupid plan) basically got him killed. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I never felt that Jedi should act like such superior people. They are superior, in many ways, but it is exemplified by superior action, not with attitude and empty words. Words are wind...
And yeah, I found Yord really annoying. I was just grateful that he wasn't really a main character.
Pip’s habit of squirting people in the face was clearly annoying to those he squirted.
Forgot about that.
I found him annoying on first watch through but he was actually shown to be more correct, and tried to protect Osha, when Sol finally abided by procedure.
He tried to save lives and died for it. I found I appreciated it more on second viewing.
I guess I could see that POV. He just turned me off so quickly, so early on, I didn’t really care enough about the character at that point to appreciate any potential for redemption.
Yeah, I definitely had that reaction, him striking me as the stickler for the rules.
But, the way the story unfolds, and how every problem comes from operating outside the rules, Yord tries his best and tries to protect whom he could.
A pain in the rear but one that had a point.
Not sure if I'd call Jecki a prodigy exactly, at least not so far as Jedi Padawan's go. She was about as confident and competent as Ahsoka or Barris at that age. Indeed, perhaps a little less in the case of Ahsoka, because Jecki seemed to allow her passion unbalance her, which led to her getting killed by a Sith on her first try. Ahsoka on the other hand; defeated one, later survived an encountered with another (albeit barely!), plus several other confrontations with the likes of Ventress and Grevious over the years.
It actually reminds me of something Filloni has spoken about before; when they were developing Clone Wars he asked George something to the effect of; "shouldn't she be nervous or afraid going into combat fo the first time?" And Lucas said that no, because she's a Jedi. They're trained to control their fears from a young age. By normal standards most Jedi Padawan are bound to have wisdom and patience beyond their years. That's not by accident; it's one of the reasons they train them from such an early age.
As for Yord; I found him to be deeply entertaining as a performance (and an essential component in the cast.) From a character and thematic standpoint; Yord seems to represent where the Jedi are headed. Well meaning, but arrogant, dogmatic, and a little pompous. Jecki by contrast seems to embody more of the ideal of what a Jedi should be.
It actually reminds me of something Filloni has spoken about before; when they were developing Clone Wars he asked George something to the effect of; "shouldn't she be nervous or afraid going into combat fo the first time?" And Lucas said that no, because she's a Jedi. They're trained to control their fears from a young age. By normal standards most Jedi Padawan are bound to have wisdom and patience beyond their years. That's not by accident; it's one of the reasons they train them from such an early age.
As for Yord; I found him to be deeply entertaining as a performance (and an essential component in the cast.) From a character and thematic standpoint; Yord seems to represent where the Jedi are headed. Well meaning, but arrogant, dogmatic, and a little pompous. Jecki by contrast seems to embody more of the ideal of what a Jedi should be.
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I agree with you. But Ahsoka was fighting in a war for over two years and got a lot of fighting experience, beside being a padawan of the chosen one. Jecki was probably fighting for her live for the first time
All true, and I wasn't knocking Jecki, just illustrating that her level of talent and ability wasn't exceptional or worthy of being labelled a prodigy, but very comparable to Ahsoka's and Barris's , and probably Caleb's, Cal's & Obi-Wan's at that age too. Remember that all of them were trained in peace-time too, so it's all on a par. What makes Jecki stand out is her personality, which is as it should be.
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According to Red Letter Media, it's about four hours and twenty minutes.
I kid, I kid! It's about punishing longtime fans who think this Flash Gordon riff of a space adventure franchise should first and foremost be fun.
*looks up punishment in the dictionary.*
Yeah, I don't think it means what you think it means.
And I've had less fun watching a dude burn nearly to death in my "fun space adventure franchise."
Someone should remind Lucas it's supposed to be fun and not an absolutely depressing festival of grimness with everyone walking out of the theater in stunned silence.
Yeah, I don't think it means what you think it means.
And I've had less fun watching a dude burn nearly to death in my "fun space adventure franchise."
Someone should remind Lucas it's supposed to be fun and not an absolutely depressing festival of grimness with everyone walking out of the theater in stunned silence.
I've seen a few people talking about how bad Sol was, but I didn't really see him as a bad guy when I watched it. It seemed to me that he was a good guy and a good Jedi, who made one bad decision, for a good reason, and things just kind of spiraled out of control from there.
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