Spoilers Tech issue with 1x06

[The Habs Fan]

I hope they introduce the Borg, make explicit mention of the Ferengi, have an Andorian crew member who is orange and make first contact with the Dominion purely out of spite for nitpickers.

Ironically, Enterprise already did 2 of those things.

 

[Thefallguy]

Why are a lot of these threads started by recently joined members? Don't mean to generalize, but it seems the hate brigade stopped by just in time for the start of DISCO.

All that DISCO does here and on many other occasions, is to show us, that TAS is a lot more canon than we thought and I don't have a problem with that.

 

[BillJ]

All that DISCO does here and on many other occasions, is to show us, that TAS is a lot more canon than we thought and I don't have a problem with that.

TAS is "fluid". Some people who agree with something done because it was done in TAS, would turn on TAS in a heartbeat if it contradicted what they thought.

 

[marsh8472]

LAFORGE: I think you're going to enjoy the twenty fourth century, Mister Scott. We've made some pretty incredible advances these last eighty years.
SCOTT: From what I've seen, you've got a fine ship, Mister La Forge. A real beauty here. I must admit to being a bit overwhelmed.
LAFORGE: Wait until you see the holodeck.

ahhh

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

The only tech issues episode 1x06 had was the lousy streaming from CBSAA. There are dozens if not hundreds of reports both here and in FB about CBSAA’s streaming problems.

As for the holodeck, who cares? It’s a complete reboot, it’s not like this is the Prime universe.

 

[The Habs Fan]

TAS is "fluid". Some people who agree with something done because it was done in TAS, would turn on TAS in a heartbeat if it contradicted what they thought.

Even ignoring the holodeck in TAS doesn't make the battle simulator in this episode a canon violation.

 

[The Habs Fan]

LAFORGE: I think you're going to enjoy the twenty fourth century, Mister Scott. We've made some pretty incredible advances these last eighty years.
SCOTT: From what I've seen, you've got a fine ship, Mister La Forge. A real beauty here. I must admit to being a bit overwhelmed.
LAFORGE: Wait until you see the holodeck.

ahhh

A battle simulator is hardly a holodeck.

 

[alex08060]

Why do I get the feeling the holo deck is top secret during Scotty’s so he knows about it already.

 

[marsh8472]

A battle simulator is hardly a holodeck.

mmhmm

 

[The Habs Fan]

mmhmm

I'm sensing sarcasm so I'll add: until they're interacting with characters as if they're real people (like TNG) and not just shooting them, then it's not like the holodeck in TNG. Also, no where is it stated that the holodeck in TNG is the first one and a holodeck-like room was in TAS on the Enterprise.

 

[matthunter]

One thing we seem to be misreading from "EaF" and all the other early TNG episodes is that our heroes constatly and consistently speak of the quality of the illusions.

Holodecks are not new to Riker nor Picard. The ones aboard the E-D are just better than what they have seen before, and this is what they explicitly comment on. They couldn't if they hadn't seen lower-quality devices before.

The problem for the audience is that there's no way to convey the difference between a poor-quality holodeck and an excellent-quality one through a television set.

1) In-universe, visuals are easy, and should not differ in 20th century and 24th century holosimulations. OTOH, out-universe, creating imperfect visuals calls for hugely expensive visual effects, while perfect visuals are free.

2) In-universe, illusion quality explicitly hinges on things other than visuals. We can't get a feel of a holodeck through television, literally. And we can't tell if a holoshow is running smoothly or has jarring edits, because our TV feed of it has edits. We only ever get one vantage point, too.

The writers try to compensate for that by constantly having the characters tell us how this generic holosimulation is so much more realistic from last week's absolutely identical one. But predictably they fail. This should not be construed as a continuity problem. It's just a comprehension problem.

Timo Saloniemi

Ayup. It's the same issue advertisers have trying to sell 4K TVs when the folks watching at home only have HD (or less). So the new picture looks more realistic? How can you tell on the old tech?

Likewise, what WE see is... well, only what we can SEE. Riker may be used to perfect visual illusions but what startles him about the E-D's holodeck is that it's also managing realistic scents and textures - even air currents?

 

[Charles Phipps]

There are no words for tonight's episode? Holodecks are not supposed to exist in this timeline

Writers do not give a shit about canon. Canon be damned!

You're not sufficiently nerdy.

Remember, the Prime Timeline was altered by the Xindi Attack. Technology and minor
differences are all possible now. But yes, this holodeck is more like a Paintball room than an actual holodeck-holodeck even though we also know they had a holodeck in Enterprise.

Furthermore, isn't it fanon the Holodecks are new?

No one ever said they didn't exist in the older Enterprise.

 

[zar]

I'm sensing sarcasm so I'll add: until they're interacting with characters as if they're real people (like TNG) and not just shooting them, then it's not like the holodeck in TNG. Also, no where is it stated that the holodeck in TNG is the first one and a holodeck-like room was in TAS on the Enterprise.

Or until a character actually gets fooled into thinking a holo-place is a real place, which happened many times in the TNG era. If the characters are intended to be able to clearly tell they're in a simulator, then it's easy to accept the fact that they just ran the actors around the Klingon set again because it's cheap.

 

[cultcross]

LAFORGE: I think you're going to enjoy the twenty fourth century, Mister Scott. We've made some pretty incredible advances these last eighty years.
SCOTT: From what I've seen, you've got a fine ship, Mister La Forge. A real beauty here. I must admit to being a bit overwhelmed.
LAFORGE: Wait until you see the holodeck.

ahhh

a) He was being polite. The bits of the ship he'd seen so far were identical to the E-A, because they were the same sets.
b) LaForge could easily have meant "...because they'll kick the ass out of the ones you guys had" which would be consistent with TAS. Scotty doesn't seem so overwhelmed by the concept of holoimaging that he couldn't get on board with a fake bridge later in the episode. All he says is "The android at the bar said you could show me my old ship. Let me see it."

 

[Wulfsa]

it wasnt really a holodeck... so from my point of view... take my money cbs and gimme more!!

 

[marsh8472]

I suppose a holosuite is not a holodeck too? Since they're called something different? It was a projected interactive environment with interactive computer generated characters inside. It's a holodeck

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

If anything, this ought a quell the Kelvin timeline guys too, since aren’t holodecks not supposed to be there either..?

Mark

 

[The Librarian]

I see we've got this week's installment of the guardians of canon purity making false claims and then abandoning the thread when called on it.

 

[Tuskin38]

it seemed more primitive then TNG ones too, there were physical projectors instead of just being a big empty room.

The holograms flickered and vanished instead of bring shot and falling realistically.

 

[marsh8472]

haha come on people... remember this?

Look at DS9 marveling at this ancient outdated technology:

SISKO: Perfect. Is the new holo-communicator ready?
KIRA: The Chief's had it online for six hours now. I think he's eager to have someone give it a try.
SISKO: Always like to please the Chief. Open a channel to Captain Sanders on the Malinche.
(A hologram of Sanders appears inside a marked area behind the Captain's chair.)
SANDERS: Are you receiving my image, Captain?
SISKO: Yes. And you?
SANDERS: You appear to be sitting on my bridge. It may take me a while to get used to this. I'm not fond of uninvited guests.
...
(A hologram appears)
EDDINGTON: Before you waste a lot of time running around trying to restore computer control, let me save you some trouble. You can't. You'll find that your memory cores are completely wiped and will have to be reprogrammed from scratch. These work remarkably well. Glad we were able to procure one.