Spoilers Tech issue with 1x06

[Timo]

...In sharp contrast, holograms never awed our TOS heroes. They just sort of went "Oh, she's a hologram, that explains a lot" and then proceeded with the adventure.

It's a general thing to consider: just because a set of heroes didn't meet X isn't proof that X would have novelty value to them.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Tuskin38]

haha come on people... remember this?

Look at DS9 marveling at this ancient outdated technology:

The DS9 version is a lot more refined, the holograms have a solid image, they're not flickering.

Also what Timo said above me.

 

[Timo]

DSC is being sort of consistent with holoimage quality:

- If it's shipboard, it's visually perfect when it needs to be (Burnham's mirror) but not so good when required to show complex motion (the shooting simulator)
- If it's communications, image quality suffers (all the Admiral appearances)
- If it's Klingons, it's low quality and green in communications, even if they can do shipboard art in other colors
- It's never tangible, and nobody is ever fooled into thinking that a hologram would be the real deal

That's quite a bit better than Star Wars where we originally see grainy, staticky "communications" but it then turns out that the great Republic before the Empire couldn't do any better even with "inboard" holograms.

It is also pronouncedly not as good as it will be a decade later, when the Recreation Room will give very tangible experiences to the users (but still won't fool anybody).

Timo Saloniemi

 

[marsh8472]

The DS9 version is a lot more refined, the holograms have a solid image, they're not flickering.

Also what Timo said above me.

There's a solid hologram

 

[Tuskin38]

There's a solid hologram

It is also a copy of her, and not being transmitted from Ship to ship or over long distances.

 

[cultcross]

I suppose a holosuite is not a holodeck too? Since they're called something different? It was a projected interactive environment with interactive computer generated characters inside. It's a holodeck

Therefore, the rec room in TAS is a holodeck too. The Constitution class is in service at this time, in fact it appears that Discovery may be a slightly newer design. Therefore, no canon violation.

haha come on people... remember this?

Yup, we pointed that out after the pilot. They couldn't make them work on Deep Space Nine, due to the budgetary constraints on putting effects on the 'holograms' and the general problem with highlighting that they hadn't just beamed in, the tech was dropped after a couple of appearances. They figured it out for Discovery, and it's more interesting than watching a conversation with a monitor, so they kept it. It isn't very in keeping with continuity but it makes a lot of sense given current tech, and it is dramatically better. Therefore, I'm over it.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

The Constitution class is in service at this time, in fact it appears that Discovery may be a slightly newer design.

Admiral Cornwell explicitly states that Discovery is the most technologically advanced ship in the fleet (probably black project level tech). Works for me that it would have gizmos we'd not seen on the Enterprise, which at this point is 12 years old and has been patrolling the far reaches of charted space. No reason it should get frilly upgrades, even under Kirk's command (at which point the ship is 20+ years old).

It's reasonable to assume Starfleet brass said "Once the E completes her 5 year mission, she'll be 25. We'll run her through a major refit as a testbed of all current tech, including an advanced version of the holo-simulator that we tried out on Discovery." Because let's be honest, there could likely have been one on the refit Enterprise. No one had time to use it in the screen time we got.

 

[Saul]

Wow, so apparently TAS is canon now.

The way people explain these things is like the way people tried to explain canon violations when Enterprise was on air. Calling it by another name as a means of justifying it.

 

[marsh8472]

call a spade a spade, that's a holodeck

 

[Timo]

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Timo Saloniemi

 

[cultcross]

call a spade a spade, that's a holodeck

Is anyone calling it anything different? The point is, TAS had a holodeck on the 1701.

Wow, so apparently TAS is canon now.

It went through, to quote the Simpsons, a trial un-separation, post Enterprise and CBS seemed to embrace it a lot more in the run up to the 50th anniversary. There were a few nods in the JJverse too. Without GR to make a fuss, there didn't seem much reason to keep it excluded.

 

[SJA]

Wow, so apparently TAS is canon now.

The way people explain these things is like the way people tried to explain canon violations when Enterprise was on air. Calling it by another name as a means of justifying it.

Some folks clearly seem to think so...
'On June 27, 2007, Star Trek's official site incorporated information from The Animated Series into its library section,[19] clarifying, finally, that the animated series is part of the Star Trek canon.'

 

[Kor]

Wow, so apparently TAS is canon now.
...

TAS was only "de-canonized" at all due to the meddling of Roddenberry's lawyer.

The holographic recreation room was supposed to be part of TOS, but it didn't make it into the live-action series because of budget restrictions. So we saw it in TAS instead.

Kor

 

[Timo]

Which is a relief of sorts, because in TOS the holoimagery would have been absolutely perfect, but in TAS we can at least pretend it remains a bit cartoony.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[marsh8472]

Is anyone calling it anything different? The point is, TAS had a holodeck on the 1701.
.

Yes someone said this

A battle simulator is hardly a holodeck

Regarding the TAS example, are you suggesting that Discovery is just as much part of canon as TAS is? That's the same point I was making too

 

[Tuskin38]

Yes someone said this



Regarding the TAS example, are you suggesting that Discovery is just as much part of canon as TAS is? That's the same point I was making too

TAS is as canon as the rest of the franchise.

 

[Charles Phipps]

TAS is as canon as the rest of the franchise.

TAS was always somewhat canon as they said the Spock story was always canon.

 

[marsh8472]

TAS was always somewhat canon as they said the Spock story was always canon.

It has the same power as fan fiction in another words. Star Trek writers can copy elements into their stories but does not make the fan fiction canon by doing so.

 

[Ronald Held]

TAS was not considered Canon short of some parts of Yesteryear. DSC having advance spore drive does not imply it is a test bed for all advanced technology.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Wow, so apparently TAS is canon now.

Has been for a while now.