Takei's Claims About Shatner

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  1. Maurice

    Maurice Fact Trekker Premium Member

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    Can we please dial back the slut shaming of Nichols re her relationship to Roddenberry?
     
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  2. ZapBrannigan

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    Got it.
     
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  3. suarezguy

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    I think the tone has been mostly anti-Roddenberry, though I wouldn't mind both shamings being dialed back.
     
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  4. Takeru

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    Who slut shamed Nichelle Nichols?

    No, he should be shamed, he was in a position of power and abused that position to fuck women working for him, he was a pig.
     
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    Nichols, unlike Barrett, didn't want to thwart Roddenberry's relationship with his wife at the time. Not so Barrett.

    That line is half-balderdash. Uhura's skin is plenty fair.

    Followed by Joss Whedon, for a while.

    It's as serious as three-man black-white-Hispanic street gangs can be. It never got as serious during the Nimoy episode.
     
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    "If it gets me on Broadway, zero f***s will be given..."

    Thank you so much for that. :)
     
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    :wtf: A regular who was billed as a guest star on every episode she did? That's a pretty broad definition of "regular."
    I thought that Nichols said that her romantic relationship with Roddenberry was over by the time she did Star Trek.
     
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  8. Neopeius

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    Martin Landau was listed as a guest star on every episode he was in during Mission: Impossible's first season. And he was in virtually every episode of that first season. :)
     
  9. JonnyQuest037

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    Yeah, true. And also Diana Muldaur on TNG and Heather Locklear on Melrose Place.

    The difference is that those folks actually were series regulars who were getting special billing. Majel Barrett was a guest star.
     
  10. Takeru

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    Diana Muldaur was not a series regular with special billing, she was an actual guest star which is why could take another job that made her unavailable for the first few season 3 episodes which led to Gates McFadden's return.
     
  11. Maurice

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    Billing is contractual. Contracts determine position in the credits, often right down to the letter size and if other credits may share the same card and if so, how many.

    On Bonanza the four co-equal leads had contracts which stipulated the order of the actors would rotate episode by episode, so every 4th segment each would be the in first position, etc.

    Because the rest of the Lost In Space cast's credits were negotiated during the making of the pilot, when they added Jonathan Harris the only spot he could have in the titles was the last one, so to make himself stand out he was given a Special Guest Star credit for the entire run of the show.

    TNG's opening credits for the main cast gave Stewart the first card, Frakes the second, and the rest were billed in alphabetical order by surname.
     
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  12. mb22

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    Justman and Solow's book said it continued during the production of the show.
     
  13. Foxhot

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    No doubt that boosted his pay.

    In WHAT ARE LITTLE GIRLS MADE OF, sure. She recurred with regularity.

    And on COMBAT, Rick Jason and Vic Morrow musical-chaired their top-billing.

    Neither Steve McQueen or Paul Newman wanted second billing on TOWERING INFERNO, so they settled on a creative compromise when one was higher and the other was on the left. Assuming the official top two credits are alphabetical, McQueen is technically #1, yet Paul Newman appears nearly an hour before McQ does, so I always consider Newman the true cake-top.
     
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    "Recurring with regularity" is not being a series regular. And whether somebody is a series regular or not is not something that viewers decide.
     
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    If only that were so. I hate nepotism unless it involves Kirk Douglas. Chapel was regularly annoying.:cool:
     
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    Ehh... the universe has an objective reality, regardless of fan opinions.

    Here's a third season crew picture of the Enterprise. I have a jigsaw puzzle of it.:

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    During the 1st season, sure, she's a guest star -- she was only in 2 episodes.

    In seasons 2 and 3, she was in 23 episodes. Chekov was in 36. Is Chekov a "regular"? Objectively so. And Chapel was in two thirds as many episodes.

    She's not M'Benga or Hansen. And she's not Leslie or Hadley either. She's clearly of a piece with the rest of the crew, if the least frequent. Someone has to be. :)

    (now, if you want to discuss what her contract details are vis. a vis. everyone else's, that's also an objective reality, and something @Maurice might be able to she light on...)
     
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  17. Maurice

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    @Harvey can correct me, but AFAIK Majel was never under contract,
     
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    That's interesting -- so, for instance, Grace Lee Whitney was (for 13 episodes), but Barrett was just a "we'll call you when we need you" and she just happened to get called every other week?
     
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    She was the producer's girlfriend.
     
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  20. mb22

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    Three episodes, the ones mentioned earlier and "Operation Annihilate!" at the very end of the season.