Takei's Claims About Shatner

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  1. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Commodore Commodore

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    Sounds goofy saying that Nimoy was terrible compared to Shatner, Kelley and Doohan. I could mention terrible writing of Kirk when he fell in love in 5 minutes in Requiem for Methuselah while his crewmates were dying or his nonsense in the "Children Shall Lead" and there's probably other examples but I think Shatner was great in his role as Captain Kirk, inspiring, charismatic the best Star Trek Captain. Were Scotty's and Kelley's stupid love stories bad writing or just character building?
    And frankly I think Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, Doohan, Takei, Keonig, Nicholls were all excellent in their roles and its the combination thats the reason why we love the series so much even after 50 years. Well one of the many reasons I love it anyway.
     
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  2. Methuselah Flint

    Methuselah Flint Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I read it somewhere, I forget. But Lights of Zetar for me stands out as a strong ensemble piece. Apart from a few moments of gush (compared with the hormonal character we see in Whom Mourns for Adonais?) from Scotty, his feelings for Mira seem a lot more mature. Sometimes I almost see him more fitting as a father figure for Mira. Anyway, I digress...Shatner is cool and calm, Spock too, and even he and McCoy seem to be getting on.

    In fact, come season three, apart from McCoy's behaviour caused by being in the past in All Our Yesterdays, I don't think the two really bicker.
     
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  3. Phaser Two

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    I . . . didn't say a word about Leonard Nimoy. The man was a superlative actor and a very kind human being.

    I said that the Star Trek writers had extreme difficulty writing Spock consistently.
     
  4. Noname Given

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    Huh? William Shatner won an Emmy for Boston Legal/Denny Crane, headlined another series (TJ Hooker) and appeared in a number of other things over the years.

    Compared to George Takei who had what, a couple of appearances as a Asian Drug Lord in Miami Vice (circa 1987); a guest spot on VOY in 1996, and a few cameo appearances in Heroes (circa 2006)?

    Please.
     
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  5. Ssosmcin

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    In order for me to continue to enjoy I Spy, I have to separate Alexander Scott from Bill Cosby. I really hate that his monstrous behavior overshadows his contributions to society. Everything that Cosby and Culp did on I Spy did more for the civil rights movement and the roles of non-whites on television than Star Trek did on its best day.

    As far as Robert Culp is concerned, he felt it was more important for Bill Cosby to win Emmys that it was for Culp to. What the two of them brought to the screen was magic. Robert Culp wrote a handful of episodes, all of them were fantastic. The very first episode aired was a Culp script and it was centered around Cosby's character.

    That's a guy who isn't as concerned about his role in a TV series as he was about the difference he could make by being the co-lead of a television show with a black man. My admiration for Robert Culp is endless.

    As far as William Shatner playing himself or not, I have no idea. I don't know the real William Shatner. I doubt anyone else here does either. He was riffing on his persona for some of it, absolutely. But since Denny Crane and TJ Hooker are two completely different characters, in approach and appearance, if he's playing himself then he's a pretty multifaceted individual.
     
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  6. Neopeius

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    We just watched that one! We're rerunning I, Spy first season since Lorelei didn't start watching until they got to Japan.

    Culp's scripts are often good. They're also sometimes... weird. Culp in yellow-face is something I don't need to see again.

    No argument.
     
  7. Ssosmcin

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    That episode is beautifully written, but having Culp play the dual role was a little misguided and somewhat self-indulgent.
     
  8. Foxhot

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    Why, you-----:crazy:

    Now you tell us.:cool:

    And blew up in a HAWAII FIVE-O helicopter, which cracked up one of my co-workers during a rerun.

    Two....the first with Walter Koenig, I believe. The second Shat was during the '90s revival.

    Much more Scotty. The ''little three'' remain glued to their consoles as usual.
     
  9. Poltargyst

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    My take is that Spock and McCoy come to an understanding in The Tholian Web and don't bicker much after that the rest of the series.
     
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  10. Methuselah Flint

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    I guess I meant in terms of equal screen time.

    Is it one of the few episodes we get the whole post-Rand team? Chapel and even Kyle are in it.
     
  11. Foxhot

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    I consider Chapel a regular of sorts, salary not being an issue for me. So I'd consider the post-Randers to number at eight. Kyle and M'Benga are great, though see Kyle as chief of the semis and M'Benga the most prominent three-timer. As for Stoneface Leslie.....well, he'll talk if you really, really need him to.
     
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  12. STEPhon IT

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    "Monstrous behavior" that snide gives the impression Bill Cosby was allegedly violating school girls and innocent Christian women. Working in the bowels of Hollywood, actors, filmmakers ESPECIALLY upstarts, there's a certain tone of crazy which is quite alarming for me. The method to attract and put oneself out there is self inflicting and entices them within BOTH parties to do some disturbing things to each other. For the means to those sacrifices is a tough one especially when one of them didn't get what they wanted after the affairs.

    It's really ugly in this environment and it is still going on and allegedly Cosby and convicted Weinstein are not even the worst, if you could imagine THAT, they're prominent faces I know, who are on TV, who are considered "GOOD" in Hollywood and viewers and fans just - don't - have - a fucking clue what they are at parties and vistas. The upstarts, Men and Women, VERY WELL knows the stakes going into the tigers' lair but cry me a river when it didn't go their way. Which is why I'm so relieved I work in the business in San Francisco; it's less Sodom and Gomorrah up here than in Los Angeles and Orange County.
     
  13. XCV330

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    I can't have The Green Berets and a thread about Shatner going on without The Mute Marine.
     
  14. Ssosmcin

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    Help me understand what you mean here. Are you saying I'm downplaying? Or over-selling? He was accused of sexual assault going back to the mid-60's. The charges sound plenty monstrous to me.... Does it matter how innocent or not these women were? Roofies are roofies, no matter whose drink you drop them into.

    He was found guilty until the conviction was overturned due to technicalities. He wasn't found innocent or acquitted, merely released from prison.
     
  15. Ssosmcin

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    I remember when this aired, I saw the opening and felt it was a huge waste of Shatner to kick off his hosting of SNL with this skit. Literally any guest could have done it.

    Thankfully, The Restaurant Enterprise was worth the wait.
     
  16. Noname Given

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    Sorry but getting to the point where you routinely drug to unconsciousness and then rape women for decades is indeed to me monstrous Behavior; and that's exactly what he engaged in by his own admission. The only reason he got off the way he did quit because to get said admission, the attorney general made a deal where he would not be prosecuted for what he admitted to. That doesn't make his behavior any less monstrous.
     
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  17. STEPhon IT

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    He was charged and prosecuted from an admission from his civil trial, everything else is from other accusers are alleged. Doesn't make it true for every person who accuses the accused, but from the bowels of the industry there were behaviors I'd seen from upstarts and personalities which were indecent and with the substances they're using its impossible for me to think either side could remember what happened. Best to earn these positions the right way instead of doing things which one could deeply regret. I don't believe those women.
     
  18. T'Bonz

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    Let's not get into this discussion, eh?
     
  19. McCoy's Disco Collar

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    More than anecdotal evidence; we have first-hand accounts, including from Harlan Ellison. (Who had more than his own share of jackholery, but still.)

    Ellison recounted stories of Shatner coming to his house to count lines before the script had even been turned in.
     
  20. Kirk1980

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    Ellison was also known to tell a tale or two if he thought it would be fun. Not exactly the most reliable source, unfortunately.