Spoilers Supernatural Season 13

[thribs]

They had to bring back Charlie. Never liked her. That line saying that she was Family was rather extreme since she was only in a few episodes.
I enjoyed Lucifer’s idea of helping out by listening to our prayers. If only someone out there was praying to him at that time. He would probably grant it.
If he wants something to do, that idea he had in season 11 of helping the cops in LA solves crimes isn’t a bad idea.
Gabriel's Story on how he survived was fine but I was hoping there was little more to it. Even Chuck himself thought he was dead.

 

[Aragorn]

Who is the returning character in next week's episode? I can't place her.

 

[Snaploud]

Interesting that Gabriel still has working wings and is from our universe. I assumed Lucifer was somehow protected by the cage, but I guess the spell just wasn't effective in removing the wings of arch angels.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

I'm glad that Gabriel finally Kentucky fried Colonel Sanders.

 

[tnpir4002]

Interesting that Gabriel still has working wings and is from our universe. I assumed Lucifer was somehow protected by the cage, but I guess the spell just wasn't effective in removing the wings of arch angels.

I gave up trying to keep that whole mess straight as soon as we got the Grigori episode. There was no explanation as to why Tamiel could still teleport, no acknowledgement at all that he didn't (or shouldn't) have wings. It was acknowledged in season 9 several times, and again at least once in each season since. "Lily Sunder Has Some Regrets" spoke of it openly, as did "The Vessel" (the latter of which was the first time they mentioned openly that angels without wings couldn't teleport or time travel).

What really bothers me is that in "Hell's Angel," when Lucifer went to heaven, they were very careful not to show how he got there (one can only assume they wouldn't allow him through the portal, which leaves only one possibility). They also tiptoed around the topic in "Meta Fiction" when we saw Gabriel. I was almost relieved when Lucifer showed his wings in "Mamma Mia," until I remembered that in "All in the Family," Dean seemed to know that Lucifer would be able to teleport them out of Amara's hideout.

All that being said, I'm getting the feeling that now they expect us to believe that Metatron's spell only affected seraphim--the rank of angel whose grace was used--and below. That would neatly explain why Grigori and archangels weren't affected. (It would be so much simpler on fans like us if they'd just write a line of dialogue or two to explain it...but I guess that's asking too much.)

At this point I just want someone to figure out how to give the angels back their wings so that plot can be laid to rest.

 

[tnpir4002]

I'm glad that Gabriel finally Kentucky fried Colonel Sanders.

I was thrilled when Gabriel's eyes started glowing and he threw those demons down the stairs, and was literally clapping when he showed his wings. You don't make an archangel mad and expect to live. When he threw out that Bond one-liner..."I never liked that dumbass suit"...I knew Asmodeus was in for it.

A pity that means we won't get any more lines like "you even think about sassin me again," but it was fun while it lasted.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Well, that was a good episode with a surprising twist. It was nice to see Charlie again, although I'd prefer it if our Charlie came back-- this Charlie seems pretty much the same, except that she doesn't have the same history and friendship with the boys. But at least this alternate universe has allowed us to see characters who never should have been killed off.

This episode also saw some more character development for Ketch-- he seems genuinely disillusioned and remorseful, in a Londo Mollari kind of way. I hope they don't reconstruct the character into something worthwhile only to kill him off. He's actually pretty amusing.

And poor Gabriel finally got his mojo back, thanks to Sam confusing porn stars with hookers. He immediately hit the road after Kentucky frying Colonel Sanders, but I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of him. They didn't bring him back for nothing. The departure of Asmodeus seemed kind of anticlimactic, though. He didn't really have a chance to go anywhere as a character, and Hell has been left Kingless once again.

And I got a kick out of all the Trumpy satirical bits with Lucifer being the ineffectual boss of Heaven. Beyond that, we're seeing that he really does have some daddy issues-- he tried to listen to prayers, for a few seconds, and performed an exorcism, before dusting the priests. nd he got all dressed up in his Sunday best-- an odd affectation, considering Chuck's casual style, but Lucifer is basically a child trying to act like a grown up and not having a clue how to do it.

 

[Farscape One]

This was a great episode.

Gabriel has to return... they wouldn't have done all this without being back. I do wonder how even Chuck didn't realize he was alive.

I really wonder if they will bring our Michael back, and Adam. I doubt it, but it really just sucks that Adam stays locked in the Cage all these years.

I will actually miss Evil Colonel Sanders. His over the topness was really fun.

With all the dead characters showing up in the alternate world, I wonder if we will see Ellen and Jo.

 

[auntiehill]

OK, new episode tonight---so now we have Rowena on the boy's side and Sam will eventually be forced to kill her in some fashion. Odd that her magic was so powerful that it could kill the nearby Reapers as well as the victims.

Good to see Billie again. A nice look at Heaven as it sputters out and Naomi is back--so we have lots of set-up for things to come. I really liked the angel at the playground who really just didn't give a crap.

I wonder if Bernard will be back. I had assumed Rowena had him under a spell but he's just a hired gun, who's "a wee bit too enthusiastic."

 

[Farscape One]

Quite a lot happened here.

Naomi... did NOT see that coming. And there are only a total of a dozen angels left, counting Castiel? And with so few left, heaven is running out of power. I feel so bad for Castiel... this news hit him hard, and I felt that, too. No wonder the angels were desperate enough to let Lucifer take control. It all makes sense. It looks to me like this is will ultimately be Jack's purpose, bringing back all those lost angels from the Big Empty, and I think that will piss off that creature there and he becomes the big bad for next season.

And Rowena... I feel for her, too. I wonder if this was a meta way of letting the fans know that behind the scenes mistakes happened and we have to let go and come to terms that Mark Sheppard is never coming back. I know my wife dearly, dearly misses him being on the show.

Very unexpected with her, though. Power did corrupt, but in a good way. Sort of. And now it seems she is fully on Team Winchester. I like that. I have always loved her character... her snark, her attitude. And very interesting that it is Sam who will be the one to kill her, in all versions of her death.

And Billie... I REALLY miss Death, who was perfect in that role. But Billie is turning out to be a great fill in. Same seriousness, different style.

 

[tnpir4002]

So, I have a question: just exactly what *are* the power levels of our two above-ground archangels?

Lucifer's grace was stolen by Alt!Michael for his spell. Gabriel's grace was stolen by Asmodeus for...kicks? And yet, by all appearances they seem to be back to their full selves. Lucifer didn't appear weak at all when he took care of that demon, or when he attacked Anael. Gabriel didn't seem to have any trouble with pyrokinesis given what he did to Asmodeus, which seems to have been more or less established as a higher-tier archangel power. And neither of them seemed to have any trouble teleporting.

So...are they back at full power? Or what?

 

[Snaploud]

So, I have a question: just exactly what *are* the power levels of our two above-ground archangels?

Lucifer's grace was stolen by Alt!Michael for his spell. Gabriel's grace was stolen by Asmodeus for...kicks? And yet, by all appearances they seem to be back to their full selves. Lucifer didn't appear weak at all when he took care of that demon, or when he attacked Anthony. Gabriel didn't seem to have any trouble with pyrokinesis given what he did to Asmodeus, which seems to have been more or less established as a higher-tier archangel power. And neither of them seemed to have any trouble teleporting.

So...are they back at full power? Or what?

It's a bit unclear, but the writers aooear

 

[Snaploud]

So, I have a question: just exactly what *are* the power levels of our two above-ground archangels?

Lucifer's grace was stolen by Alt!Michael for his spell. Gabriel's grace was stolen by Asmodeus for...kicks? And yet, by all appearances they seem to be back to their full selves. Lucifer didn't appear weak at all when he took care of that demon, or when he attacked Anthony. Gabriel didn't seem to have any trouble with pyrokinesis given what he did to Asmodeus, which seems to have been more or less established as a higher-tier archangel power. And neither of them seemed to have any trouble teleporting.

So...are they back at full power? Or what?

It's a bit unclear, but the assumption seems to be that grace can at least somewhat heal (at least among arch angels and possibly other types of angels) if only part of the grace is taken. Neither Gabriel nor Lucifer were bled dry of grace, so they have healed themselves back to being quite powerful. However, we don't know if they are at full strength (or even if that is possible without regaining the stolen grace).

 

[RJDiogenes]

Well, that was an eventful episode. Rowena is now officially on Team Winchester, even if she's not exactly inclined to be heroic. But she is seeking redemption. It was actually pretty touching that this entire plot (in which she restricted herself to killing people who had caused the deaths of others) was all about trying to save Fergus, just as the Winchester boys have so often saved each other. It's a shame that she was not able to succeed. But she has now taken her son's place as the Winchesters' dark-side frenemy-- the question is, will Sam kill her with finality, or will there be a twist that allows her to continue in that role.

And, hey, Naomi is back. Didn't see that coming. But now her only thought is to keep the lights on in Heaven. As an Archangel, Lucifer should be able to do that-- so, yeah, where is he? Will he or Gabriel be able to save the world from a major-league haunting? Or will Jack come back and make more Angels? Or will all the old Angels be released from the the Big Empty?

Billie was back, too, all too briefly-- oddly, she did exhibit sympathy for Rowena, although she was willing to allow Sam to die and deal with the consequences rather than submit to blackmail. I hope we see more of her before the season is over. Jessica is fun, too. These ladies make death seem like a fun time.

So now we're facing the prospect of an invasion by an other-dimensional Michael and his Angel Army, a possible mass haunting by everyone who has ever died ever (which is a lot-- in the 60s, Arthur C Clarke wrote "behind every person now alive stands thirty ghosts, because that is the ratio by which the dead outnumber the living," and it's gone up since then), and a possible reset-- i.e., mass extinction-- by the Reapers to compensate for Rowena's actions (although that last has apparently been avoided, although they did not state that explicitly). So things are looking pretty dire.

 

[tnpir4002]

Complaint about tonight's show: the editing was WAY off. They oscillated way too quickly between storylines, and it was jarring at times. Hopefully the rest of the season will be handled more deftly than this show was.

That said, some great moments and some great lines tonight. Solid show aside from the editing.

Favorite moment for me: Jack's wings closing protectively over Mary.

 

[paudemge]

I am really going to be disappointed if Gabriel is dead again and Loki has taken his place

 

[Farscape One]

Loved this episode. It's basically KILL BILL with Gabriel. This was fun.

Also loved Jack using his wings to cover Mary. I don't think we've ever seen angel or archangel wings used that way before. Really cool to see.

 

[Snaploud]

I am really going to be disappointed if Gabriel is dead again and Loki has taken his place

I didn't consider that Loki would want to take Gabriel's place, but I kept waiting for Sam or Dean to ask the obvious question of whether or not Gabriel was certain that he killed the real Loki and not a duplicate (ala Gabriel's escape from Lucifer).

 

[RJDiogenes]

Okay, so Loki is dead-- unless that's just another trick-- and Gabriel is a new man. It seems like Loki's digs hit a little close to the bone and he is no longer comfortable with the trickster persona that he adopted. That's an interesting development. Now I'm looking forward to a confrontation between Gabriel and Lucifer, especially since Lucifer seems to be having an identity crisis of his own.

And Jack did indeed get a lesson in humility-- he's more powerful than Angels and more powerful than Michael, but he's still just a kid, and Michael is clearly shrewd and driven. I'm still going with my theory that the season will end with the mutual destruction of Jack and Michael. I just hope that Mary makes it back alive.

 

[Snaploud]

I figured the alt universe angels had gone back to heaven in order to destroy the humans from the the sky (ala what angels tried against the Darkness in our universe). Alternatively, I figured the map was a ploy to get Jack away while Michael wiped out the humans. I didn't think they would go for something like a suicide bomber, but I guess it fits Michael's personality.