Supernatural, season 11 *SPOILERS!*

[auntiehill]

Holy shit...eleven years?

So, season 11 started last night. I enjoyed the episode, as it set up all kinds of weirdness with The Darkness (way to go, guys. this is all your fault!).

I *did* like that Sam finally said, "Oh, for God's sake, we can't keep doing this! Let's try something different!" Yes, please do. PLEASE. Of course it comes back to bite him in the ass, but hey, he tried.

Spoiler: Spoiler

I imagine that The Darkness (Amara; whatever) will "do a solid" for Dean by curing Sam for him.

Loved the look on Crowley's housewife meat-suit when he realizes he/she has stumbled into a middle-class attempt at an "orgy." When the flunkies ask why he waited until AFTER the orgy to call for help, he/she just shrugs.

Not terribly thrilled with Croatoan 2.0 but I'm willing to wait and see what happens. The rookie policewoman is a familiar face; she played the girl who was the Alpha vampire's adopted "daughter, who led Sam & Dean to him by pretending to be a kidnapping victim.

I hope they get back to the whole "killing Death" thing because, you know, you can't KILL DEATH. Obviously, people are still dying, so I want to know how that exactly is going to work. I bet Death will come back and BOY, will he be pissed.

The one tidbit that made me very happy to hear is the reference back to what's happening in The Cage. Will we see Michael (or poor Adam) and Lucifer again? I sure hope so.

So...anyone watching?

 

[Gryffindorian]

Not a bad season opener, though it felt too much like a zombie apocalypse/epidemic plot. What's happening to Cas?

 

[Aragorn]

More recently, the cop was also Weaver's daughter on Falling Skies and Dillon's daughter on Continuum.

Fortunately for Sam, this monster-creating plague that kills its host in a couple hours will take much longer to consume him.

Fortunately for Sam and Dean, Darkness will only do stuff during episodes that require her to do stuff. Considering how much harm she's already caused, the entire state should've been consumed by the end of the episode.

 

[auntiehill]

Not a bad season opener, though it felt too much like a zombie apocalypse/epidemic plot. What's happening to Cas?

Cas was put under a spell by Rowena. I like to think of it as "Angel Rabies."

 

[Kelthaz]

Pretty good start to the new season, but we're one episode in and already both brothers have a secret that they're keeping from the other. Comes on Carver, enough with this crap.

 

[Mr Light]

Good god, this episode was just a recycling of tropes we've already seen a million times on this show

 

[eyeresist]

Fortunately for Sam, this monster-creating plague that kills its host in a couple hours will take much longer to consume him.

Fortunately for Sam and Dean, Darkness will only do stuff during episodes that require her to do stuff. Considering how much harm she's already caused, the entire state should've been consumed by the end of the episode.

Quick! Let's go back to the bunker and brood for a while.

 

[tnpir4002]

For a season opener this was...well, to put it bluntly, too much old and not enough new, and WAY too talky. I expect season openers to pack more of a punch than this. By the numbers:
1) The non-linear style of Dean's recollections of the immediate aftermath of the release of The Darkness felt too much like the recollections of Hell in "Lazarus Rising." Not a good thing. Show us what happened A to Z, and then let's move on.

2) Running into...an infected road crew? Of all things? This one had me rolling my eyes, since no it's not really stated what the infection is or whether it actually came from The Darkness. (Logical conclusion, yes...but definitive answers would've been nice.)

3) No Rowena? The mention was nice, but still, I'd have liked to see her and get some hint of what she was up to.

4) The plot tumors and the pacing. Instead of an action-oriented episode, we got an episode that spent too much time worrying about a baby, a sheriff deputy, and dialogue about the angst between the brothers. These are things I'd expect midseason--not in the season opener. This should have been about Sam and Dean getting as far away from the spot where The Darkness appeared as possible, maybe trying to find Cas and/or Crowley, etc.

5) The Cage. One issue with the show post-season 5 is its tendency to tell, not show. It was especially glaring with the whole Mark of Cain storyline--we heard about the problems it was causing nonstop, but the few actual glimpses we got didn't match the descriptions. The same is true of the allusion to the Cage--a more effective plot device might have been to give us a perspective glimpse of demons in hell, all doing their thing, only for the scene to be shattered by the terrifying sound the demons described (perhaps even with a glimpse of the outside of the Cage itself?), with the demon's explanation to Crowley at the end of the episode to explain it.

6) Cas. I'll be honest...I'm not wild about the idea of Attack Dog Castiel, in any way. It didn't make sense to me that a witch, however powerful, could effect a spell on a seraphim. It makes even less sense that once cast, Cas's healing abilities wouldn't eradicate it in short order. I'm also not wild about seeing a rabid Cas attacking anything that moves, or snarling at a kid, or (seemingly) having stabbed that horse. There had better be some bigtime payoff coming, and it had better be better than the constant drone of "I'm no leader" in seasons past.

7) Angels' wings. I know I beat this drum mercilessly last season, but the issue of the angels having no wings and still not being able to zap around has gone on long enough. They acknowledged it in "Book of the Damned" that it still hadn't been fixed, and again in the finale, and since they referenced the door to Heaven this week, we know they still haven't forgotten about it. My question is, at what point do we realize that we have Metatron's grace, track him down, and force him to reverse the spell and reopen the gates of Heaven? Maybe it's a lost cause, but I'm still hoping for a fix by midseason this year. If God is coming back, maybe that's how it'll get fixed.

 

[auntiehill]

Remember, in the Supernatural-verse, a seraphim is not an angel; it's a half-human, half-angel. I hoping that there's some big shake-up in heaven. Maybe there will be "new" angels created out of the souls in heaven---like Bobby, perhaps?

I have a feeling Rowena will appear pretty soon.

 

[Aragorn]

In the final season of Supernatural, every big boss monster they've ever stopped will return... to take turns pushing them up against the wall and tying them to chairs.

 

[Gryffindorian]

Let's name them all: Eve, the Leviathans, Cain, Abbadon...

 

[tnpir4002]

Remember, in the Supernatural-verse, a seraphim is not an angel; it's a half-human, half-angel.

I think you're thinking of a Nephilim.

 

[Q2UnME]

Now that they FINALLY put season 10 up on NETFLIX, I've got a couple of episodes to catch up on before diving in on Season 11. Got the premier on the DVR so I'll be jumping into the discussion in a couple of days. For now, I'm out of here... too many spoilers flying about for the moment....

Q2

 

[Kemaiku]

Remember, in the Supernatural-verse, a seraphim is not an angel; it's a half-human, half-angel.

A "Nephilim" is a human/angel hybrid. Metatron has Cas kill the only one that has ever existed to help close the Gates of Heaven.

A Seraphim is a 6-winged angel that is one of the highest of the 9 orders, able to call on a form of fire that can burn anything and supposidly one of the forms of angel that nothing can survive an encounter from.

Only 4 of the 9 have been seen, Archangel, Seraphim, Angel and Cherubim.

And the Gates really are apparently shut forever as the tablet said. A tablet that is now gone, so unless God himself can re-open them, that seems to be that.

It's nice to acknowledge Lucy being able to shout outside the box the way he did to control Azazel/Lilith in the first 3 seasons, and imply his connection to the mark still isn't gone.

But yeah, far too much status quo and recycling already. Post season 5 stories could have been compressed into 3 really good seasons, not 6 tedious ones.

 

[auntiehill]

Ah! My bad, then.

I really hope they get back to the cage. That's such a huge, unresolved plotline.

 

[tnpir4002]

Only 4 of the 9 have been seen, Archangel, Seraphim, Angel and Cherubim.

What about the Rit Zien and the Grigori?

 

[JD]

I thought it was a pretty good season opener. The stuff with the Darkness was intriguing, and I liked the Deputy.
I did kind of like Sam's whole attempt at approaching things from a new angle.
The stuff with Crowley was fun, and the hints about The Cage were interesting.
I do agree that it is a little annoying that the brothers are keeping secrets from each other again. I'm especially frustrated that they have Sam getting infected or whatever. We just got a whole arc where Dean was "infected" by something, it just feels way to repetitive to do the same thing with Sam now.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I thought it was a pretty good season opener. The stuff with the Darkness was intriguing, and I liked the Deputy.
I did kind of like Sam's whole attempt at approaching things from a new angle.
The stuff with Crowley was fun, and the hints about The Cage were interesting.
I do agree that it is a little annoying that the brothers are keeping secrets from each other again. I'm especially frustrated that they have Sam getting infected or whatever. We just got a whole arc where Dean was "infected" by something, it just feels way to repetitive to do the same thing with Sam now.

I don't think Sam will stay infected for long.
That it happened to him pretty much just assures the existence of a cure at this point and they will find it fast, since the darkness kills the infected within hours.

The darkness reminds me a bit of the First Evil from Buffy for some reason.

 

[Kemaiku]

Ah! My bad, then.

I really hope they get back to the cage. That's such a huge, unresolved plotline.

Unless "Loki" is not really dead, Michael and Lucy are the only archangels they have left, they might need to break them out to help fight the Darkness.

Only, they kind of killed Death, so his ring may be gone now. Or they might work in a plot where someone retrieved it and they need to get it back to unlock the Cage.

I can't imagine those two being too friendly after being in there for several years though. Unless homicidal Cass is strong enough to make them behave.

But I would like them to give Adam at least some chance of getting free.

 

[tnpir4002]

Unless "Loki" is not really dead, Michael and Lucy are the only archangels they have left, they might need to break them out to help fight the Darkness.

Around the time of "Meta Fiction," there was a lot of discussion about Gabriel's status, and it seems like even the producers said he was still alive, just in hiding (again).

Only, they kind of killed Death, so his ring may be gone now. Or they might work in a plot where someone retrieved it and they need to get it back to unlock the Cage.

If God does return, this strikes me as something he could probably do.

I can't imagine those two being too friendly after being in there for several years though. Unless homicidal Cass is strong enough to make them behave.

I actually have a different idea. If Gabriel is actually still alive, then he, Lucifer, and Michael are only three archangels, versus the original four that God created to battle the Darkness (we're still sans Raphael). That leaves the choice of either resurrecting Raphael--can't exactly see that, since he was such a troublemaker--or promoting an existing angel who's proven their dedication and loyalty and ability to lead.

Sound like anyone we know? (Yeah, I know, it's a long shot, but frankly I'd like to see Cas made an archangel.)

As for the disposition of Lucifer and Michael, Michael always seemed like a reasonable presence, and Lucifer...well what can you say about an egotistical homicidal maniac?

We've already pretty well established that it took God and four archangels to beat back the Darkness, and it seems pretty evident that doing so planetbound wasn't in the equation in the pre-Biblical era. That means, to me, the angels will HAVE to get their wings back if the Darkness is to be defeated (I can just see Gabriel saying to God "Um, scuse me...but we're not in ANY shape to be taking on an ancient evil. We can't even FLY! It's going to squash us like BUGS.").