But was Dean Cain a good Superman that is the question. I never took much notice of Lois & Clark when it was on TV
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I'm not sure if it has been mentioned in the DC Movies thread, but apparently, for the time being, the new animated "My Adventures with Superman" show survived the HBO Max cuts so far. Maybe it's set to premiere on Cartoon Network.
It is a bit surprising that the new Superman cartoon is save, while the new Batman has to be shopped around to find a new home (which it most likely will do), as Batman is currently the more popular character. My guess would be that it has to do with the Superman show being kid-friendly, while the Batman one is aiming for a mature audience and thus probably won't attract as many licences. Which is kinda funny, because Batman is way more toy-etic than Superman.
It is a bit surprising that the new Superman cartoon is save, while the new Batman has to be shopped around to find a new home (which it most likely will do), as Batman is currently the more popular character. My guess would be that it has to do with the Superman show being kid-friendly, while the Batman one is aiming for a mature audience and thus probably won't attract as many licences. Which is kinda funny, because Batman is way more toy-etic than Superman.
Dean "recently" became such a crazy Trump advocate, that Supergirl stopped inviting him back.
Putting aside what a monumental asshat Cain is IRL and focusing solely on his performance on the show, he was a terrific and hugely appealing Clark Kent, and an adequate Superman. But on L&C, Clark was the more important persona anyway. I liked him a lot.
Should I give this show a try if I can find it on streaming? I never really cared for it when it was brand new, or watched repeats after it had finished.
It was on HBO Max a year ago, but of course God knows if it'll just disappear from that one with no warning.
The most beautiful Lois ever. Her icecream powered fragility is also hilarious, but that's probably just the pilot. After that its undeserved arrogance she mistakes for feminism, which is also funny.
Perry White obsessed with Elvis Presley.
Tracy Scroggins from Babylon 5, as Cat Grant (from Super girl) being super sleazy trying to dupe Clark into giving her his supervirginity, in every damn scene.
Ma and Pa Kent keep doing "young" things to humourously defy expectations about age.
Amazing Lex Luthor, even if he's not bald, he's actually more a threat, because John Shea is a sexy MF who will actually consummate his marriage to Lois Lane if she ever accepts his 40 million dollar conflict diamond ring.
There were two Jimmys. They were both awful gerbils.
Last time I watched it, which was along time ago, Lois and Clark and well made, that used that fast forward camera trick the Flash uses a lot for comedic effect... But it is a 90s show, so even when other Kryptonians finally show up, L&C is super PC, so there is no punching that would be impressionable on a young audience.
I'd say absolutely yes. There is a diminishing returns factor as the show goes along, however -- the first season is by far its best. It's never without its pleasures, though. I offered a sort of capsule series overview uptopic, so I'll just quote myself here:
(I'll add that, as I near the end of my epic Smallville rewatch, I'm not sure but that I don't prefer L&C. Smallville's first three seasons are great, a total blast, but like L&C, diminishing returns then set in -- and Smallville's go on a lot longer.)Ultimately, it’s perhaps my least favorite Superman TV series, but that’s like calling it my least favorite pizza.Its main fault is leaning a bit too hard into unfunny camp and silliness at a few points in its later seasons; few things are more painful than failed comedy. But when it's good, it's very good: romantic, sexy, sentimental, witty, and charming.
The first season is the best, and features John Shea’s wonderful turn as Lex Luthor. Dean Cain is a great Clark, though less convincing as Superman. Hatcher is a funny, frenetic force as Lois, although her characterization is a little neurotic for my taste, the better to fit the template of a rom-com heroine. And Lane Smith is a terrific Perry White, reimagined as having a quirky obsession with Elvis Presley (with the traditional “Great Caesar’s ghost!” replaced by “Great shades of Elvis!”).
I agree with others: found him a better Clark than Superman. It's a shame what he's since become.
There is no difference between Cain's Superman and Cain's Clark.
I see this as a flaw.
Chris Reeve made his Clark a nerd and his Superman is a BoyScout Master, and when Lois found out who he was, he played a third character who was a 30 year old virgin... Until he wasn't.
I see this as a flaw.
Chris Reeve made his Clark a nerd and his Superman is a BoyScout Master, and when Lois found out who he was, he played a third character who was a 30 year old virgin... Until he wasn't.
That's what I've always said when people ask "Which is the real him, Superman or Clark Kent?" ...neither. The real him was the Clark that grew up in Smallville. The Metropolis Clark and Superman are both an act. (This applies to the Reeve movies, not necessarily any other version.)
Hatcher's Lois was a regionalist.
(Durant too.)
She believed that anyone from a fly over state was a mouthbreathing third class citizen, which is why her minds eye of Clark never matched up with who she thought Superman was.
Clark's mum helped him into his super tight longjohns for the first time in the pilot and redresses his concerns about wearing a cowl to hide his identity by saying "Honey, no one's looking at your face."
I think there's a blind guy at one point who is talking to Clark as if he is Superman, because the voice is the same, and the blind guy isn't distracted by Clark's glasses or Superman's colourful circus outfit. (I'm not %100 that that happened in Lois & Clark.)
Lois and Clark is 10 times better than Superman & Lois, and if Lois and Clark had had Superman & Lois' budget, every episode of Lois and Clark would have been more mind blowing than the entire Matrix Trilogy.
I never liked Chris Reeve's take on Clark Kent, even when I was a kid. I thought it was exaggerated, unnecessary and irritating. Not even George Reeves or any other actor who portrayed Superman/Clark Kent went to that extreme.
This is definitely an … interesting take.
I think Chris Reeve's bumbling Clark was more for comedy and light moments than anything else, but yes it was irritating.
Eh, Reeve was 100 percent great, including his Clark. Mind you, I personally prefer a less exaggerated take, more “Clark is the real guy” a la Dean Cain. But Reeve did what he did and did it superbly, and it worked brilliantly in the context of those films.
It's the other way around with Batman.
Batman is the thing that was born in the shadow of his parents corpses.
Bruce Wayne is a mask Batman wears so he isn't dragged kicking and screaming to Arkham, after spending all night beating on poor people.
Interesting. I viewed Cain's Clark as an entirely different personality to his Superman. If anyone is the same for both sides of the coin, its Hoechlin, who borrows heavily from Reeve's bumbler / indecisive routine. Its a miracle everyone in Smallville did not figure out Kent was Superman on day one.
Interesting. Kidder's Lois also had little respect for small town people, evidenced by her assumptions about Clark moments after meeting him.
Oh, without question Lois and Clark stands head and shoulders above Superman and Lois, and in every category except the casting of Tulloch, who delivered one of the best Lois performances (especially during season one) of any actress who took on the part.
Reeve was going overboard with the bumbler / indecisive routine to sell Clark as the polar opposite of Superman, yet there's so much of one in the other, that any midly curious person would begin to suspect Kent and Superman are the same guy. Its not a interpretation of Clark (or Superman) that I miss at all., and thankfully, Cavill's Clark/Superman--the best Superman characterization of all--left that kind of performance in the past.
Regarding George Reeves, his Kent often played like that tired (possibly drunk) uncle who seemed sort of irritated that he had to interact with anything other than the bottle. That, and as the series wore on, his "uncle" act morphed into the tired camp counselor act...only when he was addressing fellow adults such as Lois, Jimmy and even Henderson, his behavior came off as irritable and condescending.