Superman

[theenglish]

Eh, Reeve was 100 percent great, including his Clark. Mind you, I personally prefer a less exaggerated take, more “Clark is the real guy” a la Dean Cain. But Reeve did what he did and did it superbly, and it worked brilliantly in the context of those films.

This is not really the actor's take--the two Clarks were portrayals of how Clark Kent was being written in the comics during those time periods. In the 70s, Clark's whole shtick was that he was klumsy--he tripped or fell or dropped something in practically every issue (or often enough that's how I remember it). By the time Lois and Clark came around the character was very much influenced by Byrne's take on the character, which did away with Clark's clumsy, weak-stomach act.

 

[Sci]

and thankfully, Cavill's Clark/Superman--the best Superman characterization of all--

I cannot begin to imagine thinking that of a Superman who frankly comes across like he doesn't give a shit about anyone except Lois and his parents.

 

[The Lensman]

I cannot begin to imagine thinking that of a Superman who frankly comes across like he doesn't give a shit about anyone except Lois and his parents.

The Superman who gave enough of a shit to be Superman, who saved literally every human life on the planet and who later died to save countless people from being slaughtered by an unstoppable monster?

Jesus, enough with this tiresome shit.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I cannot begin to imagine thinking that of a Superman who frankly comes across like he doesn't give a shit about anyone except Lois and his parents.

The Superman who gave enough of a shit to be Superman, who saved literally every human life on the planet and who later died to save countless people from being slaughtered by an unstoppable monster?

Jesus, enough with this tiresome shit.

Agreed, and its also selective memory at work, as the time reversal act in the Reeve '78 version committed a terrible violation of the lives/destinies of all humanity (and ignoring his father's direct warning against said violation) not to reverse Luthor's missile strikes, but to save Lois, undeniably one of the most selfish acts of any filmed superhero.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Agreed, and its also selective memory at work, as the time reversal act in the Reeve '78 version committed a terrible violation of the lives/destinies of all humanity (and ignoring his father's direct warning against said violation) not to reverse Luthor's missile strikes, but to save Lois, undeniably one of the most selfish acts of any filmed superhero.

He pretty much said "fuck it" and changed literal destiny for everyone on Earth

 

[DarrenTR1970]

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This is the definition of a true 'Superman'.

 

[Sci]

The Superman who gave enough of a shit to be Superman,

And looks incredibly annoyed with every single rando he saves and seems to actively dislike most of humanity.

"They don't owe you anything!"

who saved literally every human life on the planet and who later died to save countless people from being slaughtered by an unstoppable monster?

Except he didn't die to save everyone from Doomsday. His words made it very clear: He was doing it for Lois.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And looks incredibly annoyed with every single rando he saves and seems to actively dislike most of humanity.

"They don't owe you anything!"



Except he didn't die to save everyone from Doomsday. His words made it very clear: He was doing it for Lois.

Clark thinks her illiteracy is attractive.

Anytime he sees a mouth breather mix up their, there or they're, he gets a chubby.

If that's the sole criteria for why he is into this alien, then it's not going to be hard to replace her when she dies of old age and and he looks just the same.

Alright alright alright.

Oh god.

Spelling Bee epic fail youtubes are porn for Superman?

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[Gingerbread Demon]

amused at the thought of Superman watching porn

 

[Guy Gardener]

amused at the thought of Superman watching porn

Have you seen Smallville S02E02 Heat?

As a teen with no self control, when aroused, Clark ejaculates radioactive lasers out of his eyes.

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[Gingerbread Demon]

Have you seen Smallville S02E02 Heat?

As a teen with no self control, when aroused, Clark ejaculates radioactive lasers out of his eyes.

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Well at least he didn't do that to the teacher, then he'd be Homelander

 

[Guy Gardener]

To be fair, Stormfront told him to do that to her chest.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

He pretty much said "fuck it" and changed literal destiny for everyone on Earth

Yep--he did not care. It was all about saving Lois for himself. Before that, he did not consider using that power to stop Luthor, so the Reeve Superman was not the "noble" hero his (Cavill-version-hating) supporters claim. I said his act was one of the most selfish of any filmed superhero, but it tops the list. Even MCU Tony Stark at his worst did not commit an act so egregious, and so willfully dismissive of personal human destiny.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yep--he did not care. It was all about saving Lois for himself. Before that, he did not consider using that power to stop Luthor, so the Reeve Superman was not the "noble" hero his (Cavill-version-hating) supporters claim. I said his act was one of the most selfish of any filmed superhero, but it tops the list. Even MCU Tony Stark at his worst did not commit an act so egregious, and so willfully dismissive of personal human destiny.

Jor-El in Superman 1 said that Time travel was illegal. Playing with destiny in anyway (Prime Directive) was a big no-no. Standing up to dad is tough for a nerd like Clark.

Smallville Clark went back in time to save Lana. Jor-El said reconsider buddy, or there will be dire consequences. In the new timeline Pa Kent dies almost immediately.

In the DC sitcom Powerless, the office breaks into cheers when Lois Lane dies. They figure Superman is going to turn back time any minute now, so they got a cheatday where they can do literally anything, with no consequences. Then there's some panic when Superman doesn't turn up to her funeral, "Holy shit! Oh No! They broke up! It's not a cheat day! What have we done?"

In the Donner Cut of Superman II, Superman turns back time again after he kills Zod and loses his virginity. So Zod never escaped the Phantom Zone, and Lois can take his purity for the first time, again.

 

[suarezguy]

Agreed, and its also selective memory at work, as the time reversal act in the Reeve '78 version committed a terrible violation of the lives/destinies of all humanity (and ignoring his father's direct warning against said violation) not to reverse Luthor's missile strikes, but to save Lois, undeniably one of the most selfish acts of any filmed superhero.

Yep--he did not care. It was all about saving Lois for himself. Before that, he did not consider using that power to stop Luthor, so the Reeve Superman was not the "noble" hero his (Cavill-version-hating) supporters claim. I said his act was one of the most selfish of any filmed superhero, but it tops the list.

He, like other versions also, is noble while also not some flawless paragon, he tries to and works to save everyone but of course he does and will have preferences for some people to do more for.

 

[The Realist]

Complaining about the time reversal and Clark's motives therefor in Superman '78 only demonstrates that one understands the thematic and character essence of the film not at all.

 

[Sci]

The whole point of the time reversal in Superman '78 is that he saved everyone else first, then lost the woman he loved, then changed history to save her at no cost to anyone else.

That's very different from the Superman of the Snyder films, who only cares about his mom and his girlfriend and seems to resent everybody else he has to save for needing help.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Time reversal changes everything, not one event, which added power to Jor-El's warning, as the act is not selective or targeted. Reeve-Superman acted for purely personal reasons--the polar opposite of the self-deceiving myth that this interpretation was some hyper-selfless Santa. Further, his selfish obsession with Lois had him sacrifice his own heritage in Superman II--giving up his powers and that allegedly selfless dedication to protecting the world. Even if Zod and the Gang never landed on earth, the fact Reeve-Superman still gave up his power and heritage while a still-very troubled world needed him said it all about what he was not.

Cavill-Superman made the ultimate sacrifice for all humankind, something the Reeve version did not do.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Uh, ... Superman didn't save Lois in the way that he plucked her out of her car before the Earthquake could get to her. He lands beside her car, when there's no more Earthquake. This suggests that when he "reversed time" (which is not actually what was happening, it was Superman going fast enough to go back in time, similar to how Flash does it), he took care of the Earthquake before it could reach Lois, but off-screen. Now, he didn't stop the Earthquake entirely, as evidenced by Jimmy talking about it when he catches up with them, but it's not like Superman let other people die in order to save Lois.

And the idea that he changes peoples destiny by this act?! It's a matter of minutes, an hour tops. Yes, you could say the Butterfly Effect made some people's lives different for that short amount of time, but that's like saying he can't interfer at all, which he does every time he goes into action.

The point is, yes, he defies what Jor-El said, but he embraces what the other voice-over in that moment said, Pa Kent, who told him that he was there for a reason. It was Superman shaking off the rules his birth-father dictated to him on a different world millennia ago, because he decides that, by breaking that one rule, he can save one more life.

This really is some MoS-defenders grasping at straws. Maybe try the end of Superman II for your whataboutism, that one makes more sense.

 

[The Realist]

The point is, yes, he defies what Jor-El said, but he embraces what the other voice-over in that moment said, Pa Kent, who told him that he was there for a reason. It was Superman shaking off the rules his birth-father dictated to him on a different world millennia ago, because he decides that, by breaking that one rule, he can save one more life.

All true, but it is important that the "one more life" he saves is that of the woman he loves. It's an emotional choice, a refusal to accept what he was forced to with Jonathan Kent -- that for all Clark's power, he couldn't save him. Superman will not accept that for Lois in that moment, Jor-El's rules, death, and time itself be damned.

I feel a little sad for people who can't grasp the power of that -- or who feel the need to deny it for their own disingenuous reasons.

This really is some MoS-defenders grasping at straws. Maybe try the end of Superman II for your whataboutism, that one makes more sense.

Or, let's not and say we did.