Superman

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  1. The Realist

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    Me, too. Then I was lucky enough to rediscover them in reruns on MeTV decades later, which ignited a passion for all things Super.
    Preach. At this point, I've seen every live-action Superman there's been, and while I appreciate almost all of them, Reeves remains among the character's all-time best screen incarnations.
     
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  2. Guy Gardener

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    In the ww2 stories it was a Translucent Mustang P-51.



    You'd think, if they could build Jet engines before the war, they'd want to keep that tech out of the Nazis hands, so that's exactly what they did.

    The Prime Directive.

    Theres a great story line in the late 90s where Diana dies, her mom takes over, joins the justice league and then goes back in time, to fight in WW2 with the justice society.

    Hypollita lives in the 1940s for a year plus, and dates Wildcat.

    Ted Grant, not Yolande.
     
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  3. Gingerbread Demon

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    Well of course it was translucent but what' the point of that it's a P51 you would still hear it?
     
  4. Guy Gardener

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    It "looked like" a P51, but I doubt it was a P51, more so in the clip I provided... The aeroplane does not even have an engine. So if it's making an engine like noise, that's just camouflage so the men don't freak out even more from magic lady science.

    On the show, the NAZIs invaded Paradise Island to build a Feminum (the indestructible metal her bracelets are made from) mine to supply a tank factory on the mainland.

    It was also bullet proof, so the plane didn't even need to be invisible.

    Germany had had basic RADAR since 1936.
     
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  5. ichab

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    Reminds me of the first time I saw Frankenstein as a kid and couldn't believe that movie ever scared anyone. After growing up with Freddy Kruegar and Jason Voorhees a big lumbering mute didn't seem like much. Kids today see superheroes flying and saving people all the time. But when I first saw it I was like...WOW! I still get goose bumps with that scene as well as the one in Superman 2 when Clark takes off his glasses and reveals himself to Lois.

    Reeves should have gotten the Academy Award for that movie. Period.
     
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  6. dupersuper

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    Reeves was long dead by then. :p
     
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  7. Sci

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    Well, yes. I don't think Superman as a story ought to be realistic. I think Superman ought to be a bright, inspirational father-figure hero -- an archetype of Lawful Good, a wish-fulfillment fantasy of morally righteous power, not a psychologically realistic character.

    Because, let's face it -- the superhero genre is full of superheroes feeling the weight of expectation, angsting and feeling man-pain with their inability to save everyone.

    And that's fine! There's absolutely nothing wrong with that type of story. But I think we also really need bright, inspirational stories. And since Superman is the first modern superhero, and since he was from his earliest stories a moral power fantasy, I think that that's who Superman should be when they're doing the main canonical comic books and major motion pictures and TV shows based on him. I think there's a really bad need for that kind of story in our culture, too, and Superman is the perfect character to fulfill it.
     
  8. TREK_GOD_1

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    Live action adaptations generally take place in a setting consciously created to be familiar to audiences, so there's a greater expectation of realism--even from fantasy elements. some films captured that perfectly (e.g. Man of Steel) while others came off like cartoons.
     
  9. Commander Troi

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    ^This. If you want dark and gritty superheroes, watch The Boys (which I love!). There's room enough for both. :hugegrin:
     
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  10. dupersuper

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    Yeah: the misguided are always trying to drag happy hopeful heroes through the mud. No one's ever trying to make Frank Castle into a fun, happy character.
     
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  11. M'rk son of Mogh

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    Donny Cates did.
    Just sayin.
    (Well... fun, happy and pretty much Deadpool-style insane)
     
  12. Ovation

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    With 140,978 versions of “happy hopeful” Superman stories, there’s room for a few with a (rather modestly) different tone. Even (or especially) if it challenges expectations. Thankfully, someone offered up such a story.
     
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  13. Guy Gardener

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  14. Sci

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    As an Elseworlds story, sure. As a major motion picture adaptation meant for mainstream audiences? Bad call.

    Except he didn't "challenge expectations." He just did the Broody Angsty Manpain Superhero trope and called it "Superman."

    And that might have been fine, except that Snyder tried to use the cinematic language of deconstructionism... and then he had nothing to say! At least when, say, Alan Moore's Watchmen deconstructed Superman, Moore had a point -- an argument that powers and abilities like Superman's would fundamentally alienate the superpowered person from the rest of humanity and that his presence would destabilize all of society, that the fantasy of a morally righteous de facto demigod could never actually function. Snyder doesn't even have that much going for him -- there's no hidden truth about the Superman character he uncovers, not deeper meaning or statement made about Superman beyond, "Well, being Superman would kinda suck sometimes! Some people would blame you for things unfairly and that would make you sad!"

    And fell flat on his ass doing so.

    Thank God they aren't letting Snyder keep control of the DCEU. Let the kids have Superman back, and let's have adults stop trying to steal him away.
     
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  15. Ovation

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    I’ve done the lengthy comments and arguments about this many, many times. I’m not retyping them again (they’re searchable in any case). So I’ll go straight to the summation—Nope. To every point raised here. The End. (For me—all y’all can have at it as long as you like).
     
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  16. Commander Troi

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    OK, I see your point. You like what you like. It's all good. :)
     
  17. JD

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    I just watched the Reeves Superman for the first time a couple years ago, and I really enjoyed them. Yeah, they're pretty cheesy watching them today, but they're a fun cheesy.
    To me Superman in one character who needs to be a wholesome, happy, positive character, that's the whole point of the character, he's the superhero, the ideal, the one who everyone, even the other superheroes look up to, and want to be when they're a grown up superhero. And I think taking that away from him is taking away way too big of a chunk of what makes the character special.
    I think the best way to put Superman in a more realistic world, is the play up the conflict between his old fashion, nice guyness, against the modern world. Honestly, the way they handled Captain America in the first Avengers movie, and The Winter Soldier, would be a great to handle Superman.
     
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  18. Ryan Thomas Riddle

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    I’ve always said that Captain America The First Avenger was the Superman movie DC/WB should’ve made.

    And the Adventures of Superman in the first season is a great Crime Noir show, more gritty than the subsequent seasons.
     
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  19. cooleddie74

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    A critical yet pretty valid take ...

    It's OK, Captain America said one or two or three lines about let's help civilians!
     
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