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Spoilers "Superman & Lois": The Fourth and Final Season

I thought it was pretty clear that it was the hammer to the head

Why? Because of sitcom amnesia logic? I have trouble lowering my expectations to that level. And what, did Superman never hit him in the head in their huge fight at the top of the season?

I also find it less than credible that the hammer blow "killed" Doomsday at all. While the hammer was built to be able to fight Superman and was thus comparable to his peak strength, it's a bit hard to credit that it could surpass it. Really, the whole thing just seemed contrived.
 
Why? Because of sitcom amnesia logic? I have trouble lowering my expectations to that level.
You know something? The level of storytelling logic extant in almost all comic books and most media based upon them makes the standard of "sitcom logic" look like Raymond Chandler by contrast. Nitpicking a particular instance that happens to stick in your craw this week is not elevated by pronouncing it to be especially egregious when it's nothing of the kind.
 
Eh, I don't know, @Mudd.
Superman and Lois has a running cancer storyline for Lois, with her terrible, sobering struggles with the disease, how it changed her (and perception of herself) and the effect on her family. It does not get more real world serious than that, and its the series--a superhero series' towering achievement. People relate to fantasy motifs or settings based in reality. The series was not going to work if it completely divorced itself from reality, as if the genre is somehow trapped in 1950s superhero comics or bad adaptations from a few decades ago.
How does this fit with "oh, just clonk someone on the head, and he'll change his character"?
 
No. It can contain multitudes. Monsters who "see the light" and people strugging with cancer.
But not via Hammer to the head. If you want to have "people struggling with cancer", you need to have a believable explanation, why Doomsday suddenly changed motive. "Hammer to the head" doesn't cut it there.
As I already explained in the other thread: If a series is just goofy and silly and doesn't try to deal with heavyhanded stuff, I'm willing to let all eccentricities, the story might have, slide. Then I say: "Yeah, Doomsday changes his motive, after being hit with the hammer, let him see stars, while we're at it."
But if it decides to try a "down to earth, gritty, realistic" tone, I expect more from the show. Then I expect a reasonable explanation, something that's more than "clonk on the head". I expect Superman to show Doomsday the error of his ways. You can have the motives switch back and forth - maybe Doomsday is programmed to wreak havoc and after Clark opened Doomsdays eyes, he is torn between being a monster and "seeing the light", as you said it.

I'm sorry, I don't want to cause any trouble, it's just how I feel about it.
 
But not via Hammer to the head. If you want to have "people struggling with cancer", you need to have a believable explanation, why Doomsday suddenly changed motive. "Hammer to the head" doesn't cut it there.
No you don't. "The Hammer to the head" is just a guess. Not sure the writers have supported it. This is a show about heart. So Doomsday finding a change of heart after having the memories of his life flood back to him for what ever reason, work with the themes of the show. Especially since he's a Superman and the memories were about his Lois.
 
So Doomsday finding a change of heart after having the memories of his life flood back to him for what ever reason, work with the themes of the show. Especially since he's a Superman and the memories were about his Lois.

Yeah, but it's the "for whatever reason" that's the problem. When it feels like something just happened because the writers wanted it to happen, rather than for an organic reason within the story, that tends to pull one out of the story.

I'm reminded of one of Pixar's rules of storytelling: It's okay for random chance to create a problem for the hero, but it's not okay for random chance to solve a problem for the hero. The fact that the Doomsday arc was resolved by a random, unexplained event or a convenient coincidence makes it a deus ex machina, and that's lazy storytelling. I appreciate the emotional beat they were going for, the choice to give Doomsday a redemptive, peacemaking moment, but that deserved to be earned better than it was.
 
Yeah, but it's the "for whatever reason" that's the problem. When it feels like something just happened because the writers wanted it to happen, rather than for an organic reason within the story, that tends to pull one out of the story.

I'm reminded of one of Pixar's rules of storytelling: It's okay for random chance to create a problem for the hero, but it's not okay for random chance to solve a problem for the hero. The fact that the Doomsday arc was resolved by a random, unexplained event or a convenient coincidence makes it a deus ex machina, and that's lazy storytelling. I appreciate the emotional beat they were going for, the choice to give Doomsday a redemptive, peacemaking moment, but that deserved to be earned better than it was.
Worked for me.
 
Doomsday/Bizarro was already defeated, though. He was at the edge of the cliff. It doesn't actually solve Clark's problem for him to come back to himself and let himself be pushed into the sun rather than being punched into it, it just gives a coda to his character. It's not like it happened during the fight, it happened after he'd been weakened, and unconscious, and probably understood he was about to die.
 
No you don't. "The Hammer to the head" is just a guess. Not sure the writers have supported it. This is a show about heart. So Doomsday finding a change of heart after having the memories of his life flood back to him for what ever reason, work with the themes of the show. Especially since he's a Superman and the memories were about his Lois.
Yes, that was all so clear in the Doomsday arc; Lois had some impact on the creature when she confronted him several episodes back, so its painfully obvious prime Lois triggered memories of his former life with his Lois. He needed a moment to look at his prime version, coupled with his own memories to understand that he lost his reason to exist, hence his allowing SM to push him into the sun.
 
Doomsday/Bizarro was already defeated, though. He was at the edge of the cliff. It doesn't actually solve Clark's problem for him to come back to himself and let himself be pushed into the sun rather than being punched into it, it just gives a coda to his character. It's not like it happened during the fight, it happened after he'd been weakened, and unconscious, and probably understood he was about to die.

It does solve the writers' problem, though, because as I've already said, their problem was how to kill Doomsday in a way that didn't make Superman look like a killer. It's not about what happened, but how it happened and how it reflected on Superman as a character. And having Doomsday magically come to his senses and say "It's okay, I'm ready to die" lets Superman off the hook ethically (or at least that was their intent), making the final moment seem like an act of compassion on Superman's part rather than an act of destruction. That is a very important aspect to the scene and to the tone of the series, and the fact that they made it happen arbitrarily through a poorly justified change of behavior is what makes it feel like a cheat.

Not to mention that I don't consider Superman killing a bad guy "gently" to be any better morally than killing a bad guy violently. Sure, presumably the conceit is that Bizarro/Doomsday was "already dead" and it was just letting him rest in peace, but if an entity is sentient and conscious, I consider that life, and I've never been a believer in assisted suicide. So making it seem gentle and compassionate while still ending with the bad guy's death feels like an even bigger, more hypocritical cheat to me.
 
So anyway ... I was on YouTube earlier, and there were tons of reaction videos up for the series finale. I didn't actually watch any of them, but it was kind of funny/sweet to see thumbnail after thumbnail of these dudes with their faces all red and crumpled up and their eyes all watery. I was like, "I feel you, brothers."
 
30 years on and none of the live-action versions of Doomsday ever did him justice.

"Did him justice?" I'd say just the opposite. Doomsday in the comics was a boring, one-note entity, not even a character, just a crude and lazy plot device to kill Superman, and the embodiment of everything that was wrong with '90s comics (well, almost everything, since he didn't have an overcomplicated pouch-laden costume). The adaptations such as Smallville and Krypton that have given their versions of Doomsday actual personalities have been enormous improvements. This, by contrast, was one of the weakest, most boring screen versions of Doomsday, since it's one of the most faithful to the source, in the mindlessness of the character if not his origins.
 
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