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Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 1 spoiler discussion!

Any Arrowverse connection seems out of place on a show where Superman, Steel and General Lane are the only three people defending the planet from doom.

True--Diggle suddenly showing up and acting as if he has some longstanding relationship to Sam Lane was pointless fanservice..no one asked for. He served no purpose or influenced the outcome of events. But, this is yet another limp attempt by Berlanti and Crew to force a "shared universe" when it was not the aim of the series from the start.
 
So, okay... pre-Crisis, Zod was a corporeal, living Kryptonian that Superman battled and defeated in the past (and killed, according to Winn, but I choose not to believe that). But now he's just a mind in the Eradicator, which would suggest he died on Krypton and never came to Earth. Unless the minds in the Eradicator are just copies, I guess.

There were too many characters named John in this episode -- Jon Kent, John Henry Irons, John Diggle. It got confusing once or twice. At least The Flash keeps its two Noras in separate story arcs. Diggle's inclusion did feel a little disconnected from the overall story, and didn't really advance the arc he's supposed to be having through these guest appearances, aside from a throwaway reference to being done with "glowing boxes" and the like. I guess we have to wait for his Supergirl appearance to see any more of that.

If they were going to include Diggle and finally acknowledge the wider Arrowverse in this one, I wish they'd also thrown in a reference to seeking Supergirl's help with finding Superman. I get the show wanting to establish its own independent identity, but if they're finally making connections, then they should be consistent about it.
 
Diggle wanted to talk to Irons after learning he was from another universe, but nothing came of that.

That was actually aimed at Sam Lane with Diggle being a tad pissed that he (or maybe ARGUS) hadn't been told that little detail.
 
Any Arrowverse connection seems out of place on a show where Superman, Steel and General Lane are the only three people defending the planet from doom.

It helps my enjoyment of the show, then, that I have no real idea who John Diggle is nor curiosity about him.

Great episode. This show always moves faster through the plot than I expect.

Supes killing Zod on Supergirl would only be the third or fourth time that he's killed Zod. So, no big deal.
 
One thing I never liked, was the recent (started in 2009 by Geoff Johns) depiction of Sam Lane as THE anti-Superman US military avatar. He comes off as a discount General Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross from Incredible Hulk. Right down to Lois playing Betty, to Clark's Bruce Banner. Secret Origin (2009)is where Johns hyped Lane as a threat that culminated into the disaster that was New Krypton (2010). The New 52 rest Lane to being skeptical, initially. Then dialed back up to 11 with Superman Unchained in 2014.

Characters like General Hardcastle (Superman TAS), General Eiling (comics and Justice League Unlimited) or even King Faraday (Mr. I-Spy and the character Nick Fury was based off of), would be better foils as anti-Superman government officials.
 
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One thing I never liked, was the recent (started in 2009 by Geoff Johns) depiction of Sam Lane as THE anti-Superman US military avatar.

Funny... I'd convinced myself he'd always been portrayed that way, but I guess I'm back-projecting the Supergirl version. I guess that makes this show's version (who's basically an ally to Superman, if an unreliable one) less revisionist than I thought.
 
Since there’s been a couple of production delays with this show I wonder if this appearance by Diggle comes before his appearances on Batwoman and The Flash.

Zod was in the Phantom Zone when Krypton exploded IIRC. So when did the Eradicator get his consciousness? Is it some kind of copy?
 
Overall, I liked the episode. I am so glad that they did not drag on Superman being taken over by Zod for more than 1 episode. The appearance by Diggle seemed pointless. The scene with Superman breaking free of Zod's consciousness, as we see images of his family, was effective. It moved me. The fight with Edge seemed too short and too easy but it seems like that was on purpose because Edge wanted to be captured based on the final scene.
 
Overall, I liked the episode. I am so glad that they did not drag on Superman being taken over by Zod for more than 1 episode. The appearance by Diggle seemed pointless. The scene with Superman breaking free of Zod's consciousness, as we see images of his family, was effective. It moved me. The fight with Edge seemed too short and too easy but it seems like that was on purpose because Edge wanted to be captured based on the final scene.

I dont' think Edge "Wanted to be captured".

I think it's Edge had a "Plan-C/D/E" in case Kal-El wasn't taken over by Zod.

Having all those extra Kryptonian Conciousness implanted in him seems to be one of them.
 
It helps my enjoyment of the show, then, that I have no real idea who John Diggle is nor curiosity about him.

Great episode. This show always moves faster through the plot than I expect.

Supes killing Zod on Supergirl would only be the third or fourth time that he's killed Zod. So, no big deal.
I take it you never watched Arrow?
While I can see where Diggle's appearance was kind of pointless, he's one of my favorite Arrowverse characters, so I'm still happy we got it. I was a little disappointed we didn't they didn't do anything more with his headaches he was getting in The Flash.
Really enjoyed this one overall.
I love that it was his family that allowed Superman to push Zod out of his head.
After all of the drama with them, it was nice to see the Cushing actually having a nice little fun moment.
It was pretty cool to see Superman and John Henry Irons working together. Yeah, it was predictable, but it was still a cool moment. I wonder if we're ever going to see Irons take on the Steel name?
 
So, okay... pre-Crisis, Zod was a corporeal, living Kryptonian that Superman battled and defeated in the past (and killed, according to Winn, but I choose not to believe that).

There's no need to: in Crisis Lois says he imprisoned him, and she's in a better position to know.

Supes killing Zod on Supergirl would only be the third or fourth time that he's killed Zod. So, no big deal.

Don't get me started.

I think everyone has.

At least they finally remembered that he has powers.
 
That whole thing with Diggle was awkward as fuck.

Lois: "John Diggle?"
Diggle: "Lois Lane. For contractual reasons, I'm not at all surprised to see you."
Lois: "Obligatory hug for the fans even though we barely know each other?"
Diggle: "Obligatory hug for the fans even though we barely know each other."
Lois: "For what possible reason could you possibly have to come on this show?"
DIggle "McGuffin. My Wife. McGuffin. Your dad."
Lois: "Oh. Sad McGuffin."
 
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