That’s what happens to her in Smallville and JLU. There is a precedent for it.
Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 1 spoiler discussion!
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Yeah, I predicted that once it was announced that the series was ending, but I still believe it will be Mon-El who convinces her to leave her time.
Maybe inspired by Baywoman and Captain America and the Wointer Soldier it will turn out this season will be a backdoor pilot to John & Lois.
This was a terrific Superman-origin mini-movie, one of the best screen treatments of it ever. I really liked the way it developed their relationship. And I love it that the first supervillain Superman fought was Atom Man/Henry Miller, his greatest enemy in the '40s radio series, recently given new prominence in Gene Yuen Lang and Gurihiru's miniseries Superman Smashes the Klan (largely adapted from a later radio storyline). Although this was a simplified, unpowered version of Atom Man, who in the radio serial had kryptonite in his blood so that he could fire deadly radiation beams from his gauntlets, hence the name. Still, it's great to see Superman fighting a Nazi as a career-making act, especially in the current climate. And cool that Lois was the one to take him down while Superman saved the civilians.
The timing and continuity remain problematical, though. When Clark went to talk to Lana, the theater marquee listed Friday Night Lights, a film that came out in 2004. But Kara Zor-El arrived on Earth in 2003 and Superman was already active! I know they've used the Crisis as an excuse to rewrite the timeline, but nothing in Supergirl has indicated that her backstory has changed that much. It's one thing to keep continuity ties to a minimum to let the show stand on its own, but I wish they'd at least try harder to stay consistent.
Then again, this did turn out to be a simulation of Clark's memories, so maybe we can surmise that certain details are misremembered. His focus was on Lana and his disappointment at seeing her engaged to Kyle, so he probably didn't pay that close attention to what movies were showing.
Anyway, this explains why Lana and the other folks in Smallville don't recognize Superman as Clark -- because when he left town, he was still a teenager and hadn't matured into his adult appearance, and Lana never saw him as an adult before he started wearing glasses.
I checked the Wiki, and it seems that the initial reports of the spelling of Edge's real name as Tal-Roh were wrong; it's actually Tal-Rho. And his father is Zeta-Rho. Sounds more like a fraternity than a Kryptonian. Maybe that's why he's such an elitist...
The timing and continuity remain problematical, though. When Clark went to talk to Lana, the theater marquee listed Friday Night Lights, a film that came out in 2004. But Kara Zor-El arrived on Earth in 2003 and Superman was already active! I know they've used the Crisis as an excuse to rewrite the timeline, but nothing in Supergirl has indicated that her backstory has changed that much. It's one thing to keep continuity ties to a minimum to let the show stand on its own, but I wish they'd at least try harder to stay consistent.
Then again, this did turn out to be a simulation of Clark's memories, so maybe we can surmise that certain details are misremembered. His focus was on Lana and his disappointment at seeing her engaged to Kyle, so he probably didn't pay that close attention to what movies were showing.
Anyway, this explains why Lana and the other folks in Smallville don't recognize Superman as Clark -- because when he left town, he was still a teenager and hadn't matured into his adult appearance, and Lana never saw him as an adult before he started wearing glasses.
I checked the Wiki, and it seems that the initial reports of the spelling of Edge's real name as Tal-Roh were wrong; it's actually Tal-Rho. And his father is Zeta-Rho. Sounds more like a fraternity than a Kryptonian. Maybe that's why he's such an elitist...
^ maybe Crisis changed when Friday Night Lights came out...
The theatre also had Harry Potter playing but there was no subtitle on the sign, but 2004 would have been the Prisoner of Azkaban.
But the poster was for the Chamber of Secrets, so it could have been a reshowing.
Or the prop department just grabbed whatever they could because the poster would be out of focus in the background anyways so it really didn't matter.
But the poster was for the Chamber of Secrets, so it could have been a reshowing.
Or the prop department just grabbed whatever they could because the poster would be out of focus in the background anyways so it really didn't matter.
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Given that Supergirl is about to end and an entirely different version will soon appear in a Warners movie, it makes even more sense for the S&L producers to ignore Kara in this series. For people unfamiliar with the Arrowverse shows, "Where's Kara?" becomes a bigger issue going forward once she's appeared on this show than if they never bring her up at all. A similar thing happened on her show once Superman popped up.
I'm curious what Diggle's appearance will bring as the show has worked really well just being its own thing so far. I agree there's a lot of questions that come in if everything is supposed to be co-existing in this world.
It also makes Clark less of a douchebag playing some kind of mind game with her.
Considering they have the Arrowverse version of Barry Allen doing a cameo in that same 'Flash' feature film; as well as Michael Keaton reprising 'Bruce Wayne' from the Batman 1989 film, no, ignoring the Arrowverse version of Kara/Supergirl; makes no real sense here whatsoever.
As for Superman on/in the Supergirl series, the character was 'in' the show (in the form of text messages from him to Kara) at the start of Season 1. They've already mentioned the CoIE directly on this show (Hell, it's how Steel was introduced); so sorry again, - not mentioning Kara/Supergirl makes no sense at all.
I think that's kind of the point, if she does exist, not mentioning her yet makes no sense with the plotlines going on.
I think it's situational. The question should never be "Should I do this because a different story did it?" The right question is, "Does it benefit this story if I do this?" The story in season 1 of Supergirl was about Kara following in her more famous brother's footsteps while simultaneously trying to chart her own path, so in that case, having Clark "around" through his text messages and his example was relevant to the story being told. But the story here is about the tension between Clark's Earth family and his Kryptonian ties. So throwing in the occasional "Yes, but I already have a Kryptonian cousin here on Earth" kind of confuses that dynamic and doesn't really contribute to this particular narrative.
Yes, if continuity were the only consideration, it would "make no sense" not to mention it; but what makes sense narratively and dramatically is not always the same thing as what makes sense to someone compiling data for a Wiki article. Too much thoroughness can get in the way of telling a story.
So it's not that they're "ignoring" it -- it's just that the choice of whether to reference it does not exist in a vacuum. It has to be weighed against other considerations, and in the judgment of the show's makers, it's been outweighed by them so far. I don't know if I would've made the same choice in their shoes -- as I said, I would've at least made a greater effort to avoid contradiction -- but I understand what their reasons probably are.
Isn't that still just a rumour?
Narratively it makes all the sense in the world. For purposes of their storylines and the tone of the show they'd do well to continue to ignore the pre-existing Arrowverse. It's nothing but baggage.
What you mean to say is that ignoring those other shows makes this show inconsistent with their treatment of the Arrowverse and multiverse as it's been developed. Fine, let Superman & Lois be inconsistent with all of that. It stands just fine on its own.
And no - I don't expect them to actually continue to ignore the Arrowverse. I expect them to bollox the whole thing up in the last episode or two of this season or certainly no later than next season. In the meantime, I'm enjoying watching a show that's head and shoulders above anything else Berlanti has managed to date.
That strikes me as unlikely, since John Diggle's cameo in S&L is next week while his Supergirl appearance, the last of his guest spots this season, is on September 21. Apparently he's going through something of an arc in his guest spots, and though it's not as unified as it would've been pre-COVID, it seems unlikely that they'd do the climax in The Flash and then go back to an earlier stage in Supergirl.
Personally, I wish the producers would just say that S&L exists in a different continuity than Supergirl and the rest of the Arrowverse — especially since that seems to be how they’re effectively treating it so far, offscreen assurances and lip-service notwithstanding.
And yes, Diggle will be showing up soon, but I have the feeling the show is probably participating in that mini-crossover at gunpoint.
And yes, Diggle will be showing up soon, but I have the feeling the show is probably participating in that mini-crossover at gunpoint.
Not uncommon for shared universes, including comics. Some DC and Marvel titles strike very different tones -- e.g. some more young-adult and lightweight, others more dark and gritty and adult -- and hardly feel like they're in the same reality, and they pretty much ignore each other except when crossovers happen. You can see the same with Doctor Who, Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures, and Class.
So I'm philosophical about the continuity problems in the Arrowverse, because they just make it a more authentic recreation of the comic-book universe experience.
Considering they had every intention of doing a full Batwoman crossover before Covid prevented it I can not see how you can interpret any crossover as being forced on the creators of this show.
This is a unique situation based on real world circumstances. I am constantly amused to read the assumptions about this show’s status in the Arrowverse - both pro and against it. I will leave it at that...
They have set up a mystery on how the Eradicator got to Earth. Last night clarified it was not sent with Tal-Rho. Leslie Larr is also a mystery. At this point we are left to believe that she is a human Irma Sayres who grew up in Smallville. Who was given a Kryptonian identity. But when Superman freed the other humans she was not affected. Perhaps she is fully Kryptonian. She would not be the first Kryptonian to be raised on Earth under a human name.
This is a unique situation based on real world circumstances. I am constantly amused to read the assumptions about this show’s status in the Arrowverse - both pro and against it. I will leave it at that...
They have set up a mystery on how the Eradicator got to Earth. Last night clarified it was not sent with Tal-Rho. Leslie Larr is also a mystery. At this point we are left to believe that she is a human Irma Sayres who grew up in Smallville. Who was given a Kryptonian identity. But when Superman freed the other humans she was not affected. Perhaps she is fully Kryptonian. She would not be the first Kryptonian to be raised on Earth under a human name.
I don't have to interpret anything. Intentions change. As The Realist said, that's all lip service. There was a time when the Kents were "intended" to have one infant child. The facts on the ground now are what they are, and they really militate against mixing this show up with all that other stuff. S&L is better off as it is, alone, because it's far better than the Arrowverse.
But yes, I know they'll cross over with that shit eventually. Just not looking forward to it.
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