It was always an 'actual Superman show' - from the moment he ripped the roof off of Lex's Porsche. That's the point.
This is also the point. The look, design, fabric, whatever is all completely arbitrary.
That's a pretty reductive fallacy.
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You know perfectly well what I meant. A show about Clark Kent working at the Daily Planet in Metropolis with Lois Lane while fighting crime as a superhero.
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Kyle didn't freak out.
I like that.
Lana did freak out.
I know Morgan is evil, but he's hiding it somewhat?
Morgan is Zod?
We have Clark on record fighting a fantasy of Zod on Supergirl.
Did Clark kill Zod, on Earth?
X-Krypronite resurrects Kryptonians... Although from where? The Phantom Zone? That would redefine the Phantom zone again. Kryptonian prisoners are converted into their astral form and flushed into the zone.
Edge is sucking them out of the zone and stuffing them into humans.
Clark would have to have put Zod into the Phantom Zone, rather than out right killed him.
Mmmmm.
I want another season of Krypton that crosses over with Gotham.
I like that.
Lana did freak out.
I know Morgan is evil, but he's hiding it somewhat?
Morgan is Zod?
We have Clark on record fighting a fantasy of Zod on Supergirl.
Did Clark kill Zod, on Earth?
X-Krypronite resurrects Kryptonians... Although from where? The Phantom Zone? That would redefine the Phantom zone again. Kryptonian prisoners are converted into their astral form and flushed into the zone.
Edge is sucking them out of the zone and stuffing them into humans.
Clark would have to have put Zod into the Phantom Zone, rather than out right killed him.
Mmmmm.
I want another season of Krypton that crosses over with Gotham.
He's just British.
Agreed. I loved Smallville, which is a story about Clark Kent -- just like Adventures of Superman, and Superboy, and Lois & Clark, and Superman & Lois. So many people seemed to treat the entire ten seasons as some sort of extended tease, a long frustrating prologue to the "real" story, which somehow only begins when Clark puts on blue long johns. But as L&C so astutely and succinctly put it, "Superman is what I can do. Clark is who I am." Superman's story is Clark's story -- something S&L also understands, which is why it can devote so much time and attention to Clark's life outside of the suit and the Superman persona, and still be compelling.
Smallville went on six seasons too long.
It ought to have stuck to what its original premise was supposed to be and ended after Clark's HS graduation and set up his journey to Metropolis and becoming Superman.
It ought to have stuck to what its original premise was supposed to be and ended after Clark's HS graduation and set up his journey to Metropolis and becoming Superman.
I loved Smallville, and Clark not suiting up as Superman until the last episode gave the show a unique identity among the myriad Superman iterations out there.
It's not a value judgment. There's nothing wrong with the fact that Smallville was intended as a prequel, a take on the Superboy story minus the costume, or rather on the Richard Donner/John Byrne-style story of young Clark's coming of age before adopting a costume. I mean, come on, it was called Smallville and featured Ma and Pa Kent, Lana Lang, and Pete Ross. That's effectively a Superboy series, a story about the part of Clark Kent's life before the standard Superman part of the narrative in Metropolis with Lois and Jimmy and Perry. It is not in any way a criticism or indictment to acknowledge that well-established dichotomy between the Smallville stage of Clark's life and the Superman/Metropolis stage, a distinction that's existed in the comics since the late 1940s (with or without a Superboy costume/identity being part of the Smallville stage).
However, the fact remains that Smallville was never expected to run for more than 5 or so seasons, so in its later seasons it outgrew its original brief and had to find other ways to continue the narrative. So it brought in more and more facets of the adult Superman/Metropolis story, and in its last three seasons it became functionally identical to a standard Superman story set at the Planet in Metropolis, except for the absence of flights and tights. Which made that continued avoidance feel arbitrary and artificial, a trope that had outlived its usefulness by that point. That is not a criticism of the entire show, merely that one superficial aspect that it oddly refused to change even after it allowed everything else about the premise to evolve and mature.
As someone who watched all of Smallville but only really liked it once he graduated from the High School setting, it got absolutely ridiculous how unwilling to just call him Superman and let him fly. It wasn't even a budget issue, every other kryptonian could fly the second they landed on Earth, it was just the people in charge being way too resistant to change.
WB and Berlanti Productions will do as they like, but I know what I'd prefer re: Batman in the "Arrowverse". That would Kevin Conroy returning one more time. The casting for the "Hush" impersonation arc just threw me out of the story. And Conroy's "Crisis" appearance told me that Kate wasn't surprised by his appearance, however battle-scarred and soul-scarred that version of him had become.
And now back to our Superman and Lois discussion in progress.
And now back to our Superman and Lois discussion in progress.
I felt the opposite: when Kate first saw Conroy-Bruce, she frowned and asked "Bruce?" as if unsure if it was really him. I think it was played as if she didn't recognize his face, or at least was deliberately ambiguous enough that it could be read either way and reconciled with whatever future casting choice they made.
In any case, Warren Christie is 45, the right age for Bruce Wayne as he's been depicted in the Arrowverse (a contemporary of Superman and Tommy Elliot, an adult when Kate was 13 but near enough in age that they could be good friends, and with a career as Batman beginning sometime before 2003 and ending in 2015). Conroy is 20 years older than that, and 10 years older than Dougray Scott, who plays Bruce's uncle.
Indeed.
Depends how you look at it because they did have Batman show up on Titans and Bruce Wayne also showed up in a major way.
I liked that about the show as well but I still wanted to see him in the suit in the final episode. Maybe his first fight even as Superman. With the knowledge that the Superman adventure has just begun. Maybe to be seen again in a movie.
I know this has been mentioned before but it's interesting that Superman's heat vision is red while Supergirl's is still blue after Crisis. I wonder if that was done to keep Supergirl less threatening when she's using it since they are trying to hint that Superman may turn evil in the future.
It'll be interesting if they can get Amell back to do a flashback crossover with Arrow. They could treat it like their World's Finest.
It'll be interesting if they can get Amell back to do a flashback crossover with Arrow. They could treat it like their World's Finest.
I think the majority of people watch this show on other platforms than live TV. I think CW knows this.
It's probably just that the shows have different FX houses. It's not just the color that's different. Supergirl does this interesting thing where you can see the light inside her eyes shining redly through the surrounding skin, as it realistically would, but S&L doesn't do that.
Anyway, it's a myth that blue is "cooler" than red. We think that because we associate red with fire and blue with water, but when it comes to blackbody spectra and incandescence, blue is thousands of degrees hotter than red. So if anything, blue heat rays should be a lot more threatening than red ones.
What other platforms are there for this show? Cw.com and?
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