Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 1 spoiler discussion!

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by The Realist, Feb 22, 2021.

  1. Skipper

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    Thank you. I totally forgot that he has never seen Alyn's serial. So he was implying that he was a "real" Superman only by some picture and screenshot?
     
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  2. Tuskin38

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    Didn't Luthor say that his Superman also started as a hero?

    I'll have to rewatch the scene where he confronts General Lane.
     
  3. Christopher

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    Yes, he did. I get the sense that it's a "Brave New Metropolis" kind of reality where he started out with good intentions but took a fascist turn. But I could just be assuming that since that story's been done so often.
     
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  4. Dick Whitman

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    Anyone keeping track of what the differences are between the broadcast versions and the extended episodes on the CW app? I watched episodes 2 and 3 shortly after broadcast and both had notable additions. This morning I watched 4 and 5 do not remember any noticeable differences at all. I wonder if some of the extensions are merely single lines if dialogue spread throughout and not full scenes?
     
  5. Dick Whitman

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    So far I do not have any problems with the alternative Superman on this show. I was more talking about other places. DC used to have a fairly tight reign on who Superman was and would do. Now it’s free for all, anything goes. It’s like coming to a coffee shop, there is not just one flavor but dozens. Or Baskin Robbins with 31 flavors. Superman is a brand name than can be put on anything more than a character.

    Anyways back on topic - my speculation on that alternate Earth. Given the theme of this show is Family I suspect their Kal-El was different because he had different upbringing. Same goes for Luthor. Maybe he and Lex were half brothers. Same father but different mothers. But while this Captain has the Luthor family name he was not raised by Lionel or within the family. Pure speculation on the little we know.
     
  6. Tuskin38

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    It might be why they haven't said his first name yet, just Captain Luthor.
     
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  7. Serveaux

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  8. The Realist

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    Clearly, the entire "point" of that opening post (such as it was) was to denigrate Hoechlin -- "anybody but this guy." :rolleyes:
    There were two brief additional scenes in 4: One bit near the beginning where the coach gives Jordan the game ball, and a short scene toward the end where Jordan is blaming himself for what happened to Tag and Jonathan commiserates with him. I agree with you that I was able to spot no extra content in 5.
     
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  9. Dick Whitman

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    I like Kirk Alyn but that is what I suspected from that comment. I think it’s often overlooked how he set a pattern for future Superman actors. It would have been easy to cast Superman first. Meaning athletes or bodybuilders. Which is what happened with Tarzan. But Kirk Alyn was an actor. It’s more important really to cast Clark Kent. Which largely has continued to today. Sure many have been athletic but have training as actors. So sometimes padding has been needed. So what. Christopher Reeve did a lot of work to build himself up. But it’s visible on screen. Almost distracting in first film which was not filmed in sequence. As most films. So his weight shifts through the film. People often over look that.

    Not sure if it’s been noticed or mentioned in Flash thread. Grant Gustin bulked up during the long shutdown between seasons . He had posted about how people shamed him for being too skinny. He did it for himself though. He admitted he did always eat or live as healthy as he should. He is feeling better and looking more muscular is a result.
     
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  10. Nerys Myk

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    I've always thought a Flash should look lean. Which is a problem I had with JWS in Flash '90. (Don't hate me Dick Whitman)
     
  11. Christopher

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    Not just him, but that padded costume with the sculpted bodybuilder muscles. But then, it was the '90s.
     
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  12. Dick Whitman

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    It’s ok. The Flash’s primary artist Carmine Infantino hated it too.

    I was 12 and other than vague memories of his Super Friends appearances that was my introduction of the character.

    I never had a problem with how Grant looked. More realistic look of a runner. It’s worth looking up his Instagram posts. He only did to improve his own mental and physical health. Not to impress anyone or with the goal of drastic change. That’s never good. 10 years ago I lost 100 pounds in a 6 month period my running on a treadmill for an 1 hour each day... sometimes more...

    I learned a lot from that. Better ways and better motivations too.
     
  13. Christopher

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    Well, it could've been worse. The network execs wanted more of a simple track suit sort of thing, and the producers had to fight for a proper superhero costume. IIRC, it was Dave Stevens's concept art for the costume that convinced the execs.
     
  14. JD

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    Real runners tend to be pretty lean, so it would make sense for The Flash to be too.
     
  15. Guy Gardener

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    Except that he is not an athlete or a runner.

    Every Barry Allen is a nerd.

    90s Flash should have been a tubbo at first. And because he's using magic to run fast, then nothing he does is exercise, so he should have stayed a fattie.

    A beta pushed around by all the hard boiled cops who want their fingerprinting processed faster.

    Did Dexter Morgan, the serial killer, take cues from the 90s Flash TV series about how to best utilise his double identity?
     
  16. Christopher

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    I dunno about that. The world-record fastest sprinter, Usain Bolt, is 6'5", 207 pounds, and pretty darn muscular. He's not as bulky around the chest as the '90s Flash suit made Shipp look, but he's a big, powerful-looking guy.
     
  17. Guy Gardener

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    I believe it was a deep sea diving suit intended to protect the wearer from extreme pressure.

    Grant should gave tried on John's suit for a laugh.
     
  18. Jayson1

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    I wonder how we would perceive Superman now if Nick Cage would have played him. I don't think many like gritty Superman but would they take to a eccentric Superman I wonder. Jason
     
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  19. Guy Gardener

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    The wife wants to watch the show now.

    So I have to watch episode 1 - 5 again.

    In 1, Clark, Lana, Lois and Kyle all have a beer together.

    No one is an alcoholic.

    Or no one knows that anyone is an alcoholic yet.
     
  20. The Realist

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    I remembered that, too. Thing is, alcoholic (or "problem drinker") doesn't necessarily imply "reformed." Kyle doesn't have to have agreed to stop drinking for his drinking to be an issue in his family, particularly when he comes home drunk just before a big local event in which his wife is heavily invested and involved, and ends up sprawled messy and maudlin on the couch while his older daughter plays caretaker.

    And in the episode 1 scene you describe, note that he gets out of hand to the point that Lana dismisses him ("go get the girls") and they leave.