I'm honestly starting to wonder if you are having some kind of an issue with your TV or something, because what I, and it sounds like most of the other people on here, have been seeing is not even close to what you seem to be seeing.
Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5
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The effects looked fine to me on my 70 inch high resolution television. In fact, I thought this was the best episode since Crisis and maybe the best episode of the season. The season sets a pretty low bar of course--I hardly remembered any of the flashbacks from the first part of the episode.
Long enough in front of a 70 inch TV is going to make your skin orange.
The reality of the business is an excuse? Okay.
Pointing out a TV show has a TV show budget and time constraints is desperate and nonsensical? Okay.
To me the "IT LOOKS LIKE A 1990's VIDEO GAME!!1!1!" hyperbole and throwing a wobbly over TV quality SFX is nonsensical.
You're whinging about SG's SFX as if you're expecting movie quality SFX and I simply pointed out why they aren't.
You can't compare the two to each other!
One is a fan film that could take their time, released one to three episodes a year, and took five years to make eleven episodes in total.
The other is a company that produces SFX for a yearly series of twenty or so episodes for this show as well as stuff for other shows on a tight schedule.
They are two completely separate beasts!
You're one of those types who thinks someone can just jab a button marked render and a computer spits out realistic 4K stuff in seconds aren't you.
Completely clueless as to what goes into making this stuff, how time consuming it can be, and how a TV budget and schedule can effect it. Yet deem themselves as an arbitrator over the subject and acts like a horse's backside when someone dares to point out its a TV show on a TV budget and TV schedule.
The reality of the business is an excuse? Okay.
Pointing out a TV show has a TV show budget and time constraints is desperate and nonsensical? Okay.
To me the "IT LOOKS LIKE A 1990's VIDEO GAME!!1!1!" hyperbole and throwing a wobbly over TV quality SFX is nonsensical.
You're whinging about SG's SFX as if you're expecting movie quality SFX and I simply pointed out why they aren't.
You can't compare the two to each other!
One is a fan film that could take their time, released one to three episodes a year, and took five years to make eleven episodes in total.
The other is a company that produces SFX for a yearly series of twenty or so episodes for this show as well as stuff for other shows on a tight schedule.
They are two completely separate beasts!
You're one of those types who thinks someone can just jab a button marked render and a computer spits out realistic 4K stuff in seconds aren't you.
Completely clueless as to what goes into making this stuff, how time consuming it can be, and how a TV budget and schedule can effect it. Yet deem themselves as an arbitrator over the subject and acts like a horse's backside when someone dares to point out its a TV show on a TV budget and TV schedule.
60 percent of the audience are incels praying that the wind blows her skirt up.
Oh?
RIP Super Skirt.
IF the number of viewers continues to decrease following the releasing of 5x18 et 5x19, in going below 500K (which is quite possible given the current rate), showrunners will really have all reasons to question themselves about choices made this season and act in consquences for the next season (as they don't begin the filming yet, they still can make changes in the storylines even they were already written and wedged -> they did once, they can do it again, right?!)... well, if they are only capable of putting their ego (as well as their team of writers) in the pocket and listen more to the criticisms from their viewers,whose expectations are majoritary reasonable and sensible. Seeing as in the end, these are the viewers and fans who make live all people involved in the adventure since the beginning, maybe the showrunners should listen to them a little more instead of accusing them (and the fandoms, which yes, can be pasionnated in their reactions) of not having understood the creative decision made in the show, even the more controversial, like political world! Sometimes, some of them, like producers recognize to have been in error at some part of the shows (the worst criticisms are often about the way a show ended),but it is too late! :-(
I was just watching AHS on Netflix and there was this scene where a witch revived a dead deer. It was so obviously CGI it reminded me of a nineties video game. Gave the episode a D-.
I'm not sure what's going on.
It's a liberal show, for a liberal audience.
However I feel that the series has already pivoted away from it's liberal heart.
So do you want it to pivot back to stories about transwomen dating robot boys and lesbians who want babies, or further away from that faster?
The heart of season one and two was strong female friendships between Alex and Kara, and then Lena and Kara, but by now the first one is invisible, and the second are a set of nemeses, before Lena's participation is replaced by her batso bald brother.
I'm still blame the bangs.
No. Just...no. “Listen to the fans” is NOT a good idea. Which fans? The ones who want to rehabilitate Lena? The ones who want to see the character leave the show? The ones who want more “punch ups”? The ones who want more character development and fewer punch ups? The ones who want less “man-bashing”? Who want more?
As with any art, commercial or otherwise, the artists should put out what they want and the fans can judge. The artist is not owed success and the fans are not owed satisfaction.
Supergirl leaned hard into political allegory last year, resulting in perhaps its best season ever. It was relevant, impassioned, thoughtful, dramatically potent stuff.
This season's theme (such as it is) is as apolitical as it is dumb, and it has given us the hands-down worst year of Supergirl ever.
I know which way I'd like the show to "pivot."
You did no such thing. You're hyper-defensive over a series, therefore you will cough up any excuse, despite the fact what you're posting is not truth about a major TV production's failings compared to another series from the same studio / co-productions.
Ignoring Black Lightning--another CW-DC series--again. You would need to do that in order to justify why a series produced in 2020 has old video-gamey SFX. Loud and clear, crow.
...and still lacks the budget of Supergirl. But again, you still ignore the other CW-DC series with superior SFX for your more than obvious reasons.
It is painfully clear you have no idea how SFX are produced or budgeted for a TV series. If you did, you would not make the excuses that essentially has Supergrl being a backyard stage play from the Our Gang shorts, while other productions from the same studio are simply ignored. Again, you have to do that in order to defend the indefensible.
Alien Refugees = US Immigration policy.
Seriously, IRL, has Corona abated the migrant caravans?
Seriously, IRL, has Corona abated the migrant caravans?
Expect more of the same.
It is quite rare for a series that has run for this long to suddenly change direction in the way you're suggesting. The showrunners have run this into a wall with no clear focus, characters undeserved (Alex of late), marginalized and tokenized (the booted James Olsen), and so-called arcs that have little impact (of creative interest) on the series (see Black Lightning and Batwoman for successful examples of how that works). More often than not, its there just to be there.Your concern for the series losing viewers is fine, but if you had to poll those who no abandoned the show, what do you think their honest responses would be?
Yeah, I think most creators will tell that the absolute worst thing thay can do is listen to the fans.
Black Lightning has less episodes, and less special effects sequences, and the ones they do have tend to be less complex. So this means that they are going to have more money use on each special effects sequence.
You're the one who is expecting way, way, way to much from a effects heavy show, with 20+ episodes, on a smaller network. If anything I'd way we're lucky we get more than the occasional eye beam, or quick bit of the same stock flying shot over and over again.
I think the fact they came up with a scene like J'Onn and M'Gann vs the Sun Eater, and pulled it off as well as they did is pretty fucking impressive, and deserves a whole hell of lot more respect than you're giving it.
The more I think about it, the less I like this season.
We've got a bland love interest in William, bland villainous group in Leviathan, and a boring story arc with the whole Obsidian platinum thing.
I think there was some potential in Leviathan, but pretty much everything they've ended up doing with them has been boring, and really not all that interesting.
The biggest problem with the whole Obsidian platinum thing, is that it's a story line that's been done a million times before in sci-fi and they really haven't done anything that unique with it.
I also think turning Lena against Kara was a huge mistake, that realationship had been a bit highlight of the show, and losing that has hurt it.
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Supergirl
Season 5 / Episode 18 - "The Missing Link"
SG/Kara: Yeah, yeah...she's got her hate on for Lena, but that will fade soon enough. Like the last minute of the episode...
Lex / Lena / Eve: Steve's "I forgot what it was like to have friends" Gee...that's not telegraphing in the direction of a certain character.
Kelly and Dey's suspicion about Eve. Come on. Plot Convenience 101 to have these two C-players discover the identity of the one person who...
Lena calling Lex a "monster?" Oh, please. Miss Eugenics needs to look in the mirror. I wonder if she will build suits for SG...and herself after the tears session? No shock that the showrunners will never have anyone pass deserved judgement on a character who spent several seasons deep diving in one of the worst crimes / philosophies in history. Nope, She gets off scott free and its bad 'ol Lex who is to blame for her beliefs and actions.
Alex: All signs pointed to her having another showrunners not knowing what to do with her crisis. That problem continues with her putting on a costume. Oh, boy. They need to write a character, not a plot device for next season.
Rojas / Gamemnae / Leviathans / Rama Khan: Obsidian Unity Festival...sounds like a cult, with all of its false promises and reliance on tech to do what comes naturally to normal human beings..
Brainy: I imagined taking Khan to the DEO was exactly what he wanted, along with Brainy thinking he was drawing all of the schemers--both Leviathan and Lex to a place where he can turn the tables, but he was rather...stupid..in underestimating Khan. After all, he is from the future...
NOTES: Cryer is doing what he needs to (honestly, as an actor, he leaves everyone in the dust on this show), but the character is still being wasted with this plot.
The DEO's destruction...video gamey as always.
GRADE: C-
Season 5 / Episode 18 - "The Missing Link"
SG/Kara: Yeah, yeah...she's got her hate on for Lena, but that will fade soon enough. Like the last minute of the episode...
Lex / Lena / Eve: Steve's "I forgot what it was like to have friends" Gee...that's not telegraphing in the direction of a certain character.
Kelly and Dey's suspicion about Eve. Come on. Plot Convenience 101 to have these two C-players discover the identity of the one person who...
Lena calling Lex a "monster?" Oh, please. Miss Eugenics needs to look in the mirror. I wonder if she will build suits for SG...and herself after the tears session? No shock that the showrunners will never have anyone pass deserved judgement on a character who spent several seasons deep diving in one of the worst crimes / philosophies in history. Nope, She gets off scott free and its bad 'ol Lex who is to blame for her beliefs and actions.
Alex: All signs pointed to her having another showrunners not knowing what to do with her crisis. That problem continues with her putting on a costume. Oh, boy. They need to write a character, not a plot device for next season.
Rojas / Gamemnae / Leviathans / Rama Khan: Obsidian Unity Festival...sounds like a cult, with all of its false promises and reliance on tech to do what comes naturally to normal human beings..
Brainy: I imagined taking Khan to the DEO was exactly what he wanted, along with Brainy thinking he was drawing all of the schemers--both Leviathan and Lex to a place where he can turn the tables, but he was rather...stupid..in underestimating Khan. After all, he is from the future...
NOTES: Cryer is doing what he needs to (honestly, as an actor, he leaves everyone in the dust on this show), but the character is still being wasted with this plot.
The DEO's destruction...video gamey as always.
GRADE: C-
I found this episode to be one of the season's better entries. Not because of any of the plot mechanics -- Leviathan continues to be a misconceived and thoroughly uninteresting antagonist -- but because of some solid character work. The three big one-on-one confrontation scenes -- Nia/Brainy, Lex/Lena, and Lena/Kara -- were all effectively written and emotionally played, and gave the show some dramatic meat on its bones that's been sorely lacking this season.
A couple more notes:
The destruction of the entire DEO tower was unexpected and had at least some of its intended shock effect.
I was hoping Eve was going to just fuckin' shoot William and put him out of our misery, but no such luck.
A couple more notes:
The destruction of the entire DEO tower was unexpected and had at least some of its intended shock effect.
I was hoping Eve was going to just fuckin' shoot William and put him out of our misery, but no such luck.
This is the Season 5 I was hoping for. If the rest of the season had maintained this level of quality, it would've been a fine follow up to the last season.
I'd say B+ for tonight's episode.
I'd say B+ for tonight's episode.
Okay, they finally went there. They've been easing away from the DEO all season, and now it's kaput for good, to the point that they tore down the whole building. (Did they have time to evacuate prisoners in the cells?) Of course, theoretically they still have the desert facility from season 1 and other bases nationwide, but I assume the show is just using this as an excuse to end the DEO as a factor in the show altogether.
Amusingly, the location they used for the site of the DEO building's rubble was right next to the distinctive City Centre Library in Surrey whose interior was used for the scenes with Sean Astin. Small universe. It looks like they took advantage of some real demolition that recently took place on the adjacent block as part of a redevelopment plan. Clever.
You know, for all the problems with this season's storyline -- Leviathan being a boring and silly threat and the whole "ooh, technology is evil" theme being ridiculous and tragically ill-timed -- the one thing this season is getting absolutely right is Lex Luthor. This is the best live-action portrayal I've ever seen of Lex in all his villainous glory, capturing everything that defines the character in the comics, and Cryer does an amazing job in the role. More, playing him off against Lena has deepened him in ways we've never seen onscreen. The Luthors redeem this season when little else has.
Meanwhile, I guess it's official that Eve's last name is spelled Tessmacher here after all, instead of the original Teschmacher.
Amusingly, the location they used for the site of the DEO building's rubble was right next to the distinctive City Centre Library in Surrey whose interior was used for the scenes with Sean Astin. Small universe. It looks like they took advantage of some real demolition that recently took place on the adjacent block as part of a redevelopment plan. Clever.
You know, for all the problems with this season's storyline -- Leviathan being a boring and silly threat and the whole "ooh, technology is evil" theme being ridiculous and tragically ill-timed -- the one thing this season is getting absolutely right is Lex Luthor. This is the best live-action portrayal I've ever seen of Lex in all his villainous glory, capturing everything that defines the character in the comics, and Cryer does an amazing job in the role. More, playing him off against Lena has deepened him in ways we've never seen onscreen. The Luthors redeem this season when little else has.
Meanwhile, I guess it's official that Eve's last name is spelled Tessmacher here after all, instead of the original Teschmacher.
I'm wondering if Pete is actually working for Leviathan. Granted, I never have worked in a library or an archival place. But I kinda found it a bit odd that Pete needed to ask for access to a room he claimed to have gone into many times.
And if I was Alex, I would have asked Pete who he was talking to. That person(s) might be a lead...
And if I was Alex, I would have asked Pete who he was talking to. That person(s) might be a lead...
That was the point, though. It was only when he asked for information on Leviathan that he was denied access, and that gave away that somebody higher up in the government (it was a government library, supposedly, although they used a real-life public library as the location) was covering up info on Leviathan.
Or it was just someone who relayed his request to someone higher up who sent down the denial.
My only problem with the scene is that there wasn't remotely enough time for him to request access, get denied, etc. while he was away. But I don't find that suspicious, since it's just storytelling shorthand to keep the scene moving.
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