Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Nothing related to SuperAlex but I thought that you would be interested (from Reddit). :-)

According to the last chat with Nicole Maines, Azia Tesfai and Julia Gonzalia give by Supergirl HomeCon Panel, it seems that even actresses admited themselves that :

- the show is strong when Kara and Lena are working together. And that Kara and Alex are the heart of the show. (Andrea Brooks - Eve/Hope);
- every character is a hot ass mess and could benefit from therapy. Melissa said she wants to see Kara go to therapy in an interview last summer. Azie also said Lena has gone though some. That there is a lot of trauma in this groups of characters on the show. Kara, Lena, Alex, Nia, etc. but yes, Lena has been through some much (Azia Tesfai - Kelly Olsen).
- Every storyline being told in Season 5 will tie in together. Like someone pulled a thread and it all comes together. But season 5 has been all over the place. (Nicole Maines - Nia Nale)
- Nicole Maines hinted that Katie McGrath should be back in s6 (as recurring, as regular, as guest star, no mention of that) in saying that she wanted more scenes with Katie (McGrath) in Season 6. She would like to see them become friends because this season they were on different sides of the spectrum regarding their storylines and she wants to see them interact more.
- there is some Lex and Eve stuff in 5x17, according to Andrea Brooks. She added that being directed by Melissa was amazing, because she knows them so well and her insight was spot on.
- Nicole Maines wants Nia and Brainy back together (because he makes her happy and she wants for her character, a happy end).

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

About the show, we know that it remains 4 episodes to be released but because of the Covid19, the finale was almost shot when the shooting had to be stopped indefinitely, though the missing scenes involved Nia-William and Andrea, according to Nicole Maines, who has added during an interview to CheatSheet, that producers have a plan to complete the unfinished season finale,that’s going to lead into Season 6.
If the 5x17 is scheduled on May 3rd and the finale is maintained to be released on May 17th, we don't have to be a math genius to deduce that only 3 episodes could be aired during this time lapse. The fact that showrunners plan to complete the unfinished season doesn't mean a releasing of 5x20 in May, but they could decently complete it with what they already have and push its releasing when they intend to air the premiere of s6, giving us a double episode or an episode of 90'... .

Anyway, I love how confident in showrunners's capacity to give the season some kind of conclusion, which is satisfactory for all. Well, if it is like the progress of the s5, I fear that a big disappointment is at the rendezvous (alright, I know that deception is a normal feeling but S5 sucked so much that, it would really take a big happy surprise to try to rebalance the mess this season was! )
For me, what makes me happy would be:
- IF Kara/Lena talked to each other about what they shared and lost, while making the promise of trying to rekindle their relationsship making their friendship stronger;
- IF Kara definitively break the moorings with William, her suitor, in saying to him "I was never really involved in this relationship.So, it is better if we stop it now. It is final AND it is MY decision;

- IF we finally learn who trully leads Leviathan and what are their project in the future; IF Lex Luthor leaves the stage in style, no matter what state he is in (but please, no more Lex in s6!) ;
- IF William becomes a bad guy because of his links to the criminal world and there is more Andrea Rojas as Acrata who works with Superfriends). Sorry, I like Andrea and Acrata's character seems enough interesting to be used more and in good way.

 

[The Realist]

but please, no more Lex in s6!

Lex is the best thing the show has going right now, so not sure why you would say this. He has suffered only by being roped into the Leviathan nonsense, which (please God!) should be over after this season.

 

[DigificWriter]

Season 5 will have 19 episodes, with the finale airing on May 17th.

Supergirl.TV confirmed this, but, as I noted, I had not seen - and am still not quite sure I believe - any of the reports that the season had been shortened to 20 episodes before this pandemic hit.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Lex is the best thing the show has going right now, so not sure why you would say this. He has suffered only by being roped into the Leviathan nonsense, which (please God!) should be over after this season.

Don't get me wrong, I love Lex Luthor (and Jon Cryer's performance is fantastic, especially in 4b) but there, there is an overdose. So that we end his storyline in the finale and that in S6, that he is less present in s6 and even not present anymore. Lex is associated to Superman not Supergirl, who has her own Luthor version.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Season 5 will have 19 episodes, with the finale airing on May 17th.

Supergirl.TV confirmed this, but, as I noted, I had not seen - and am still not quite sure I believe - any of the reports that the season had been shortened to 20 episodes before this pandemic hit.

Well before the pandemic begins in America, SpoilerTV, which is a serious sources, has announced that Supergirl will only have 20 episodes 10 months ago (in fact, there were more if we include the 4 epsiodes of Crisis, which where weren't aired in Supergirl series). Supergirl offical Twitter site confirmed the info lately.

I think that except Legends of Tomorrow, which already ended the shooting of its new season, Supergirl was the only DC series which was about to finish filming the finale when the production was stopped. So if the producers really wanted to release it, they could do it because the most important scenes were already shot (besides, almost all actors except Maines, Nair and Gonzalo; have finished the shooting of their scenes).

 

[The Realist]

Trailer for Nicole Maines's new vampire movie, Bit:

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Looks like it might be fun. "It's like 80-20."

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well I figured out the twist.

Have you?

Spoiler

"Never turn a man, they can't handle the power"

The Vampires don't know that Nicole is trans.

 

[The Realist]

I suspect Maines would greet a script that hinged on her "really" being a man with the same enthusiasm as I do your post.

Be better, Guy.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm not saying I respect the choice, but I can see a shitty movie being shitty.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I suspect Maines would greet a script that hinged on her "really" being a man with the same enthusiasm as I do your post.

Be better, Guy.

Watched Bit tonight.

B-grade lesbian fantasy angst, which is not a terrible thing for a Vampire movie.

My wife said it reminded her of the craft, small town girl getting overwhelmed by the big city cool kids and the supernatural.

I was wrong, the movie was not so lame that it sorta ripped off Lord of the Rings.

Dragon: "PROPHECY SAYS THAT NO MAN CAN KILL ME!!!"

Miranda Otto "I'M NOT A MAN!!!"

But...

Spoiler

They never outright say that the character is trans.

If you know that Nicole is trans, which is a very specific audience, you can hear the dog whistles and coding, the heroic tortuousness journey of her transition, that was never once called transition. Although the character definitely is trans. So it's like Bit is two movies. A film about a girl who finds transitioning into a vampire super easy because she already transitioned in a woman, or a movie about sexy lesbian vampires fucking and murdering and fucking and murdering for the brahs and goth ladies with black nail polish who want to go woooo about girlpower.

Which is cowardly?

 

[The Realist]

Watched Bit tonight.

B-grade lesbian fantasy angst, which is not a terrible thing for a Vampire movie.

My wife said it reminded her of the craft, small town girl getting overwhelmed by the big city cool kids and the supernatural.

I was wrong, the movie was not so lame that it sorta ripped off Lord of the Rings.

Dragon: "PROPHECY SAYS THAT NO MAN CAN KILL ME!!!"

Miranda Otto "I'M NOT A MAN!!!"

But...

Spoiler

They never outright say that the character is trans.

If you know that Nicole is trans, which is a very specific audience, you can hear the dog whistles and coding, the heroic tortuousness journey of her transition, that was never once called transition. Although the character definitely is trans. So it's like Bit is two movies. A film about a girl who finds transitioning into a vampire super easy because she already transitioned in a woman, or a movie about sexy lesbian vampires fucking and murdering and fucking and murdering for the brahs and goth ladies with black nail polish who want to go woooo about girlpower.

Which is cowardly?

Interesting comments. I haven't seen the film, so I don't know why you feel Maines's character is "definitely" trans, while acknowledging that the film doesn't outright say so. I could see it being implied, or possibly presented subtextually or allegorically (you seem to allude to vampirism as a metaphor for transition, though that seems like an iffy place for the film to go). OTOH, there's certainly no reason Maines couldn't simply be playing a cis woman, which I wouldn't consider "cowardly" at all on the filmmakers' part.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Interesting comments. I haven't seen the film, so I don't know why you feel Maines's character is "definitely" trans, while acknowledging that the film doesn't outright say so. I could see it being implied, or possibly presented subtextually or allegorically (you seem to allude to vampirism as a metaphor for transition, though that seems like an iffy place for the film to go). OTOH, there's certainly no reason Maines couldn't simply be playing a cis woman, which I wouldn't consider "cowardly" at all on the filmmakers' part.

The Vampires are telepathic.

Spoiler

They use that ability so that they "mostly" eat pedophiles, rapists and racists when they can.

80/20.

So the chief vampire is giving the rules "No boys, we never change boys."

Nicole "Gulps" and then says "What about me?"

Wherethen the chief Vampire says "Don't worry honey, you're fine."



There's several moments like that through out, where they dance around her identity, by not telling us that they are talking about her identity.

Either they were afraid of the backlash, or they were trying to get a slightly lower parental warning rating.

IMdb says that it's rating by the UK filmboard classified the movie as a "15".

No word on what America thinks.

If the movie was gagged, by some dinosaur above the LGBT friendly writer/director, maybe an old-fashion producer who called an audible...

A Bit, is a horse gag.

(Part of the bridal that goes in the mouth.)

So there might have been a protest of the protest of the positive trans message, if one of the creatives saw what had been done to their movie, and wanted to express their unhappiness, by renaming the movie.

Long ago, A New Zealand band called Shihad, trying to break into the American market, was told that they were not allowed to be named after an Islamic terrorist war cry, so they rebranded themselves with the new identity "Pacifier" becuase Americans are whiny little babies.

 

[The Realist]

Yeah, your spoiler makes the implication pretty clear -- a hairsbreadth from explicit, actually. I wonder if they weren't trying to be subtle or playful, however, rather than cowardly or fearful of censors.

Of course, I'm kind of talking in a vacuum, not having yet seen the film.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yeah, your spoiler makes the implication pretty clear -- a hairsbreadth from explicit, actually. I wonder if they weren't trying to be subtle or playful, however, rather than cowardly or fearful of censors.

Of course, I'm kind of talking in a vacuum, not having yet seen the film.

Fearful of "losing money" from classification.

Is about a hundred million teenagers being barred form seeing the movie legally in the theaters.

Fearful of protesters and negative transphobic reviews, is about principles... And money.

Of course, I could be over reacting.

Or I could have accidentally seen the cut of the movie intended for Russia and China.

 

[The Realist]

So you're saying the mere presence of a trans character would raise the film's classification above "15" in the UK?

If so, that's ... fucked up.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I just googled "Nicole Maines Bit" because I was wondering where this was airing. On the little side bar, Google shows movie info and has this description: A transgender teenage girl fights to survive after she falls in with four queer feminist vampires. No source that I could find where that is from.

Spoiler

EDIT: I see rotten tomatoes has about the same:
A transgender teenage girl on summer vacation in Los Angeles fights to survive after she falls in with four queer feminist vampires, who try to rid the city's streets of predatory men.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bit

 

[Guy Gardener]

I just googled "Nicole Maines Bit" because I was wondering where this was airing. On the little side bar, Google shows movie info and has this description: A transgender teenage girl fights to survive after she falls in with four queer feminist vampires. No source that I could find where that is from.

Spoiler

EDIT: I see rotten tomatoes has about the same:
A transgender teenage girl on summer vacation in Los Angeles fights to survive after she falls in with four queer feminist vampires, who try to rid the city's streets of predatory men.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bit

It's also what is said on IMDB.

Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB are fansourced.

Also, if I am right, that this movie, months ago, was a lot more transfriendly/accessible, then that snip from rotten tomatoes you have, could have been the byline the team were going for long, long ago, which has since been abandoned and reversed.

Spoiler

Because she doesn't specifically say that all the woe in her life growing up, that she heroically over came, which was underlined maybe 4 times in the final cut, is about transitioning, her seminal trauma could just as easily be about, an eating disorder or a really bad hair cut.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Interview with writer/director confirms:
https://flipscreened.com/2019/08/02...brad-michael-elmore-director-of-outfests-bit/

 

[Guy Gardener]

Interview with writer/director confirms:
https://flipscreened.com/2019/08/02...brad-michael-elmore-director-of-outfests-bit/

Duke reminded me of OG Veruca Salt.