Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5

[Kirk Prime]

Every now and then I wonder why they had to change Batman from Adam Wests' costume, or Michael Keatons', or Val Kilmers'. No one seemed bothered by that apart from making memes about fighting evil directly in front of you.

I actually suspect if it hadn't been for the nonsense in this thread I wouldn't have even noticed, much less cared.

Interesting point though in fairness, the nipples on Batman's costume did spark controversy. Though Batman isn't the best example since his costume is basically very similar, especially in the movies.

Now Superman is a better parallel when they removed the red shorts. In fact, it's almost a perfect parallel. It just doesn't look right for him. I'm glad they brought the true costume back in the comics, and I hope they do the same with Tyler on Supergirl, assuming he can get up from whomever is beating him up or killing him in this crossover.

 

[JoeZhang]

If the actress says its be ause

Yeah, but it's still July. It's always hot no matter where in the world you are.

Skipped class the day they covered the concept of hemispheres?

 

[Awesome Possum]

We won't really have "moved on" until it's equally acceptable for men to wear dresses (or for women to keep wearing them). It's still sexist to think that traditionally male clothing is automatically more respectable for both sexes than traditionally female clothing.

Or how about we just generally stop judging other people's sartorial choices as a measure of their worth?

Then wear a dress, no one is stopping you.

 

[RandyS]

If the actress says its be ause


Skipped class the day they covered the concept of hemispheres?

Let me rephrase: I'M always hot no matter where in the world I would be.

Happy now??

 

[JoeZhang]

Let me rephrase: I'M always hot no matter where in the world I would be.

Happy now??

Makes no sense at all but sure.

 

[Gov Kodos]

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[Awesome Possum]

Let me rephrase: I'M always hot no matter where in the world I would be.

Happy now??

Sounds like a medical problem.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Seems silly to get so upset about a costume. I think it looks better with pants and it’s what the actress wanted. It also makes it look like Kara is growing into Earth’s protector, more a Superwoman than a Supergirl.

A few days ago, I mentioned the fact that "Supergirl" is a brand DC/WB will not change, but it would be a big shift in perceptions of the character to go ahead and her name to Superwoman (not referring to the other character by that name). Eight years before Supergirl was introduced in the comics, Superwoman (in the form of Lois Lane) was a story in the pages of Action Comics--

Yes, Lois is wearing a dress, but an adult woman using "girl" is sort of silly at this point. I do see that the story's title flies in the face of writer Jack Schiff using "Superwoman" at all...

 

[Awesome Possum]

A few days ago, I mentioned the fact that "Supergirl" is a brand DC/WB will not change, but it would be a big shift in perceptions of the character to go ahead and her name to Superwoman (not referring to the other character by that name). Eight years before Supergirl was introduced in the comics, Superwoman (in the form of Lois Lane) was a story in the pages of Action Comics--

Yes, Lois is wearing a dress, but an adult woman using "girl" is sort of silly at this point. I do see that the story's title flies in the face of writer Jack Schiff using "Superwoman" at all...

Here’s a more updated version.

Still Lois Lane, but it’s not far off Kara’s new suit.

 

[Maurice]

We won't really have "moved on" until it's equally acceptable for men to wear dresses (or for women to keep wearing them). It's still sexist to think that traditionally male clothing is automatically more respectable for both sexes than traditionally female clothing.

Or how about we just generally stop judging other people's sartorial choices as a measure of their worth?

Or better yet maybe men should back off and stop trying to decide what is or isn't sexist re women.

[...]The ratings speak for themselves. The more political the show gets, the more they turn people off. They lost 1/3 of their audience last year, and politics is the biggest critique of the show.

Is there solid evidence that the "politics" have meaningfully dinged the ratings or is this just another post hoc fallacy? Lots of things can cause a show's ratings to dip. Sometimes people just start getting bored with it.

Yeah, but it's still July. It's always hot no matter where in the world you are.

Already effectively shot down, but hey, spring break in New Zealand is end of Sept.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Is there solid evidence that the "politics" have meaningfully dinged the ratings or is this just another post hoc fallacy? Lots of things can cause a show's ratings to dip. Sometimes people just start getting bored with it.

Well, it's no coincidence that as the show got more political, the ratings tanked. The emphasis changed. Maybe they are getting bored with the show because of the overemphasis on politics. Even if they are spewing your views, can't you at least acknowledge that alienating half the country is going to hurt ratings? Search yourself, and I'm pretty confident that when people discuss the negatives of this show, it's the politics.

I keep saying when the show goes the non-political route, like the Luthor episodes last year, it's VERY good.

 

[The Realist]

The show's move to Sundays this year probably had more effect on its ratings than anything else one might speculate.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Well, it's no coincidence that as the show got more political, the ratings tanked. The emphasis changed. Maybe they are getting bored with the show because of the overemphasis on politics. Even if they are spewing your views, can't you at least acknowledge that alienating half the country is going to hurt ratings? Search yourself, and I'm pretty confident that when people discuss the negatives of this show, it's the politics.

I keep saying when the show goes the non-political route, like the Luthor episodes last year, it's VERY good.

Half the country would support a xenophobic group of Nazi wannabes? You seem to have a mistaken view of the country.

 

[Kirk Prime]

The show's move to Sundays this year probably had more effect on its ratings than anything else one might speculate.

The ratings were down the year before too, though that's a theory. However, Sunday is the most watched TV night of the week, so it should have helped. Ultimately, the same people who watched the show before certainly knew the night changed. And if you look at the ratings, the crossover episode, which I believe kicked off everything, had a 0.77 rating--over double the show's average. Of course that was a special event, but the point is, if people have good reason to watch, they do.

I know this show can be better. I want to feel about the show the way I did before politics overwhelmed the show. Maybe some new writers would do the trick. But it's a new season, and I hope that the show moves in a good direction.

 

[Maurice]

Well, it's no coincidence that as the show got more political, the ratings tanked. The emphasis changed. Maybe they are getting bored with the show because of the overemphasis on politics. Even if they are spewing your views, can't you at least acknowledge that alienating half the country is going to hurt ratings? Search yourself, and I'm pretty confident that when people discuss the negatives of this show, it's the politics.

I keep saying when the show goes the non-political route, like the Luthor episodes last year, it's VERY good.

Still not factual. You're inferring that the critical backlash caused the ratings to tank, not demonstrating it.

Example: A letter writing campaign by fans saved Star Trek. There's actually no proof of that. Fans infer it, but that's not the same thing. There's no evidence that NBC actually planned to cancel it at the end of the second season, and its "death slot" timeslot might actually be because NBC got a tobacco company to sponsor the show, and tobacco product ads could not be run before 10pm. See? It's not always so simple as B because A.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Still not factual. You're inferring that the critical backlash caused the ratings to tank, not demonstrating it.

Example: A letter writing campaign by fans saved Star Trek. There's actually no proof of that. Fans infer it, but that's not the same thing. There's no evidence that NBC actually planned to cancel it at the end of the second season, and its "death slot" timeslot might actually be because NBC got a tobacco company to sponsor the show, and tobacco product ads could not be run before 10pm. See? It's not always so simple as B because A.

It’s a confirmation bias. He doesn’t like the politics and the ratings were lower, therefore the politics caused it even though no one seems to share his views on this.

 

[Jayson1]

Of course the ratings are go down. It has to compete with HBO,Walking Dead and NFL. Not to mention as a weekend it is a chance for people to binge something. Jason

 

[The Realist]

Half the country would support a xenophobic group of Nazi wannabes? You seem to have a mistaken view of the country.

Sadly, I'm not so sure he does.

 

[Reverend]

I keep saying when the show goes the non-political route, like the Luthor episodes last year, it's VERY good.

You think a psychotic, deeply manipulative billionaire oligarch wannabe leveraging reactionary extremists against a minority group, and encouraging a foreign power to attack his own country in what is ultimately an exercise in self aggrandisement and enrichment at the cost of the people he claimed to serve is NOT a political story?
And what planet are you on at the moment exactly?

Here’s a more updated version.
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Still Lois Lane, but it’s not far off Kara’s new suit.

It's interesting how there's been so many different iterations of "Superwoman" over the decades, (trousers, or no trousers!) but none have seemed to have had anywhere near the staying power of Supergirl (of which there have also been many iterations).
None of this has anything to do with wardrobe choices of course, but that Kara is a fundamentally more interesting character than "Lois with powers". Indeed, I tend to think giving Lois powers fundamentally robs her of what makes her interesting: that she does what she does in-spite of being powerless in a more mundane but no less super heroic fashion.

I go back and forth on whether it'd be better to just give Kara the "Superwoman" title (akin to giving Carol Danvers the "Captain Marvel" title), allowing the character to grow up and leave room for a new Supergirl. I mean the Bat family do this all the time, with multiple Robins & Batgirls growing and passing the legacy on. So why not Kara?

Part of me thinks that this might actually be a good way to end the show when that eventually comes. But part of me also wonders if that might be a little too on the nose.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Sadly, I'm not so sure he does.

Unfortunately true. Most aren’t watching CW though. They tend to stick to another channel.