Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5

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  1. thribs

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    It’s not pc for her to be wearing a skirt anymore apparently. It’s not like it was a short one.
     
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  2. Kai "the spy" (Holiday Special)

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    How hard is this to understand? It's cold in Vancouver, especially at location shoots during night hours. Supergirl may be impervious to the cold, but Melissa Benoist is not. I'm unhappy with their solution, too, but don't make up fake reasons to strawman the evil liberal overlords of media to play the poor victimized fan, because then it's you who brings politics into a superhero show.
     
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  3. thribs

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    She was wearing leggings underneath it though. Just change those to thermals.
    They could at least have made the suit pop a bit more. Give here red trousers or something.
     
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  4. Christopher

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    Supergirl is the most unapologetically political superhero show on the air, and the original Superman comics and radio series were intensely political back in the late '30s and '40s. So the politics have always been there, and should be there; superhero stories are about fighting for justice, after all. But I don't see what that has to do with the costume change. If anything, we're decades beyond the sexist notion that a woman has to dress like a man to be taken seriously, so changing from a skirt to pants is not a political statement now the way it would've been in the '70s, say.
     
  5. Marc

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    you need to go back over the past couple of seasons.

    The issue isn't that Kara didn't tell Lena that she's Supergirl.

    The issue is after Supergirl took actions like destroying Lena's Kryptonite that Lena felt she could trust Kara and turn to her for support.

    In essential Lena sees it as a betrayal by a friend and like most people when they experience that, she's very very angry.

    Being told of Kara's secret identity by her despised brother simply makes it worse.
     
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    If she says it's too cold, then it's too cold. End of discussion.
    She's also mentioned it restricts her from kicking or them from having any low angle shots lest people get an eyefull, so there's more than enough practical reason to change it up.

    As for red trousers, it would look weird with the red boots. With the skirt at least the shape of the skirt itself and tights just below add a visual break point so you can distinguish the shapes, but with red trousers the colour balance would shift too much towards a warmer pallet and nd the boots would get lost. besides, blue really ought to be the dominant colour in any "super" suit design. Doubly so considering her most frequent crossover team-up partner wear all red already.

    Honestly, I don't recall people getting in this much of a tizzy any of the multiple times the Arrow or Flash costumes were altered.
     
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  7. Kirk Prime

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    It does, and that's a problem. I think the costume would look better if they left the skirt. Superman didn't look right without the red shorts either.

    I think if cold is the only reason, then the designers need to go back to the drawing board. I think that if they keep the pants but bring in the red skirt, she still looks like Supergirl, while handling the practicality of the weather.

    The suit is really just missing the red in that area. Same issue with Superman.

    The politics on Supergirl have taken the show down. This isn't fighting for justice, like a wrongfully convicted man about to be executed being stopped by Superman. The politics on this show have nothing to do with justice. There are universal types of good and evil. For example, a villain trying to take over the world and who is willing to kill innocent people to do it must be stopped. Enter the hero. Good and evil do not have to be political. Demonizing half the US with twisted tales of their views told by writers that don't understand them and don't want to is not good storytelling and is not standing up for justice.

    If Doomsday comes, Superman must stop him. If the Joker is about to launch a chemical WMD on Gotham, Batman must stop him. If a bad guy is mugging someone, Batman steps in. If aliens are going to attack, it's a job for Supergirl. If someone is about to destroy the multiverse, our heroes of many Earths must band together and save their homes.
     
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  8. Christopher

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    That's odd. It seems to me, from glimpses we've gotten in the past, that it's built basically like a tennis dress, with a pretty substantial pair of briefs/shorts under the skirt, so there's no real "eyeful" to be had.

    Hey, yeah. For the sake of parity, they should put Oliver in a skirt now.
     
  9. Reverend

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    It's not exactly dignified though, is it? And shorts or no shorts, an up-skirt shot on a show like Supergirl is hardly seemly.
     
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    As I said, it's like a tennis dress, a garment specifically designed for athletic activity in public. It's essentially a pair of good, solid shorts with a purely cosmetic skirt over it. If it's dignified enough for Wimbledon, it should be fine anywhere.
     
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  11. Reverend

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    ...So you're saying she's wrong and it's totally OK to point a camera lens up her skirt? I mean where exactly are you going with this?
     
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  12. Christopher

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    ^I'm just saying it's unexpected.
     
  13. Reverend

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    Ah, so pointless, pedantic non-sequitur. Forgive me, I forgot who I was talking to! ;)
     
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    So like superhero comics have been for decades.
     
  15. Christopher

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    It's incredibly simplistic and erroneous to limit the definition of "justice" to crime and punishment. Justice means rightfulness and morality, fairness, treating people as they deserve. Discrimination by race, sex, orientation, etc. is an injustice. The government infringing on civil rights is an injustice. Fomenting war or endangering public safety for the sake of profit is an injustice. Politics is very, very much about justice, about the righteousness of the state's laws and policies and how they can be improved to be more just.
     
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    Yeah, anyone that sees a story about a hero standing up for an oppressed minority and asks themselves "where's the justice in that?" really needs to reevaluate their values, because they just might be either a bigot or a moron. Or both.
     
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    If it makes Melissa Benoist more comfortable, then I say bring on the pants. Anyone who has an issue with it is clueless.
     
  18. Kai "the spy" (Holiday Special)

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    Little bit of history concerning Superman, politics, and complaining about the politics in Superman:

    In early 1940, Siegel & Shuster did a 2-page Superman comic for Look magazine about Superman bringing Hitler and Stalin before the Permanent Court of International Justice (predecessor of today's World Court) for their crimes against mankind.

    This comic drew the attention of a writer for the SS weekly paper "Das Schwarze Korps" wrote an article about it, complaining about this "Jerry Siegel, an intellectually and physically circumcised chap".

    He concluded that "we really ought to ignore these fantasies of Jerry Israel Siegel, but there is a catch. The daring deeds of Superman are those of a Colorado beetle. He works in the dark, in incomprehensible ways. He cries "Strength! Courage! Justice!" to the noble yearnings of American children. Instead of using the chance to encourage really useful virtues, he sows hate, suspicion, evil, laziness, and criminality in their young hearts."

    You can read the whole story, as well as the 2-page comic, at Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed.
     
  19. Serveaux

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    The new costume is not an actual problem.

    It takes nothing away from anyone. It is not a threat to anyone. It does not signify an assault on any values worthy of attention.

    It's not important.
     
  20. JD

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    I never cared for the skirt, so I'm happy to see it go. I always thought it felt a bit to old fashioned.
    Exactly. At this point having he turn evil, would go completely against everything they have done with the character up to this point.
    Lena has occasionally dipped into more of a gray zone, but she's still never gone full on villain. She can also come into conflict and disagree with Superhirl without actually turning into a full on villain.