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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 3

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I hope Lena and Supergirl don't eventually "break up." I'd hate to see Lena turn into a villain after all the good things she has done since she arrived in National City. Kara was extremely childish for the way she reacted to Lena's possessing the kryptonite.
 
Didn't Superman have a falling out with J'onn J'onzz because J'onn was willing to utilize kryptonite, as mentioned earlier in the series? I may be remembering it wrong- the time Superman visited the DEO for the first time (on the show).
 
"Oh, Kara, haven't seen you in weeks. By the way, Supergirl is a total bitch and I don't trust her anymore. Good talk, bye now."

And people shit on elevator talk.
 
Didn't Superman have a falling out with J'onn J'onzz because J'onn was willing to utilize kryptonite, as mentioned earlier in the series? I may be remembering it wrong- the time Superman visited the DEO for the first time (on the show).

No, I think you are remembering it correctly. Superman was not on speaking terms with J'onn because Superman did not approve of the DEO having a secret stash of kryptonite. They did eventually resolve their dispute when J'onn turned over all of the DEO's kryptonite to Superman at the end of one of the episodes. I think Supergirl is simply continuing the position of her cousin or maybe they both happen to share the same view on this issue. Because kryptonite is a substance that is deadly only to Kryptonians like Superman and Supergirl, they view it like a weapon of mass destruction that nobody should be allowed to have. Honestly, I don't really blame Supergirl for this stance. Kryptonite has been used too many times against her or her cousin with near fatal results. Trusting Lena with it is very very risky. Even if Lena did use the kryptonite responsibly, there is no guarantee that it does no get stolen and used by someone else for some nefarious purpose. Or maybe Lena changes her mind and uses it to threaten or blackmail Supergirl. Or maybe there is an accident and the kryptonite gets lost. There are too many ways that the kryptonite could become a deadly threat to Supergirl or Superman. Supergirl is simply doing what she thinks is necessary for her protection.
 
Didn't Superman have a falling out with J'onn J'onzz because J'onn was willing to utilize kryptonite, as mentioned earlier in the series? I may be remembering it wrong- the time Superman visited the DEO for the first time (on the show).

Clark didn't trust J'onn or the DEO because the organization had Kryptonite in its possession, so it's not just Kara who has "judgment issues" when it comes to the substance.
 
I can see both Kara's and Lena's positions on the kryptonite issue. On the one hand, Lena's right -- there are thousands of things that can kill humans, many of which we still use and work with every day -- fire, water, cars, knives, all sorts of things. So for someone who can only be killed by one or two things having a zero-tolerance policy toward their existence does seem like an exercise of entitlement.

But on the other hand, the fact that kryptonite can't really do anything but kill Kryptonians means that, unlike fire or water or cars or knives, it can't really be anything but a weapon -- and a particularly brutal weapon at that, the equivalent of poisoning a human with plutonium, say. And it can't be a weapon against anyone but a Kryptonian, and those are pretty thin on the ground in the galaxy, let alone on Earth. So Supergirl and Superman do have some justification in seeing the collection, let alone the manufacture, of kryptonite as a threat directed personally at themselves and their family. There's not really much else it can be. Even if the counterargument is "Well, we'll only use it to kill bad Kryptonians," that's still kind of an assault on their racial identity, their tiny community of refugees. Their species is already nearly extinct as it is.

Now that I put it that way, I think I come down more on Kara's side than Lena's. I believe, of course, that Lena has no evil intent in creating kryptonite, but I do think she doesn't really understand how justified Supergirl is in feeling personally threatened and offended by such an action.
 
Even if the counterargument is "Well, we'll only use it to kill bad Kryptonians," that's still kind of an assault on their racial identity, their tiny community of refugees.

You make excellent points. I also come down on Kara's side on this argument. I would just add that there is also the question of who defines a "bad kryptonian" and how do you define it. Kara cannot just assume that everyone will always agree that she and Superman are the "good Kryptonians" and another Kryptonian like Reign is the "bad Kryptonian".
 
Even if Lena did use the kryptonite responsibly, there is no guarantee that it does no get stolen and used by someone else for some nefarious purpose. Or maybe Lena changes her mind and uses it to threaten or blackmail Supergirl. Or maybe there is an accident and the kryptonite gets lost. There are too many ways that the kryptonite could become a deadly threat to Supergirl or Superman. Supergirl is simply doing what she thinks is necessary for her protection.

Supergirl is acting like the Authoritarian Fist of Earth by making demands she has no legal or even ethical right to impose on any human, and all for purely paranoid, selfish reasons. That kind of behavior makes her every bit the "alien threat" Lillian Luthor believed them (Kryptonians) to be, as its Kryptonite today--anything else tomorrow.That's how the mind of a self-righteous authoritarian works.Hypothetically, if Kryptonite had some wonderful, one-of-a-kind medicinal properties, Supergirl's narrow minded "Do as I say" view would have her trying to demand that researchers leave it up to her to distribute it for use, or bark that the researchers simply need to find a substitute.

This series loves to have Supergirl never truly dressed down for her behavior, but after three episodes of this, to even have characters give realistic responses to her (aside from Lena), they need to call her out on her conscious steps toward a dictatorial mindset.
 
Supergirl is acting like the Authoritarian Fist of Earth by making demands she has no legal or even ethical right to impose on any human, and all for purely paranoid, selfish reasons. That kind of behavior makes her every bit the "alien threat" Lillian Luthor believed them (Kryptonians) to be, as its Kryptonite today--anything else tomorrow.That's how the mind of a self-righteous authoritarian works.

I think I disagree. Remember, Supergirl isn't just throwing a fit because she wants to control things. She is not demanding to control all kryptonite because she wants to use it for some personal project. Kryptonite is a substance that is lethal to Supergirl and other Kryptonians but harmless to others. It can only be used for one purpose: to kill Supergirl. Imagine if there was a substance that was harmless to everybody except you. In its presence, it would cause you excruciating pain and kill you but would be harmless to everybody else. You wouldn't be upset if someone was manufacturing it? Of course you would be. It's not authoritarian to demand that a substance be destroyed whose only purpose is to kill you.
 
I think I disagree. Remember, Supergirl isn't just throwing a fit because she wants to control things. She is not demanding to control all kryptonite because she wants to use it for some personal project. Kryptonite is a substance that is lethal to Supergirl and other Kryptonians but harmless to others. It can only be used for one purpose: to kill Supergirl.

She's still demanding others to do as she says with no genuinely ethical and certainly no legal authority over anyone else. Hers is purely a selfish concern. Guns are undeniably lethal instruments to humans in their most produced form--domestic/commercial use (not hunting), but its lethal status has not moved an inch toward guns being banned (there's not even a universal agreement on the ideological Left about that), one of the arguments against being that its the kind of person that poses the threat, not the instrument. One can say the same thing about Kryptonite: Lex used it as a weapon, while Winn (for argument's sake) more than likely would use it for some productive purpose. Supergirl does not care about that--the fact that different minds lead to different outcomes. She's booting around demanding everyone to deliver all Kryptonite because of her own, myopic view of the element.

Imagine if there was a substance that was harmless to everybody except you. In its presence, it would cause you excruciating pain and kill you but would be harmless to everybody else. You wouldn't be upset if someone was manufacturing it? Of course you would be. It's not authoritarian to demand that a substance be destroyed whose only purpose is to kill you.

We still use Mercury for medical and commercial uses, despite it having severely damaging side effects or can be lethal with certain kinds of exposure. The same applies with nuclear power--which is a valuable energy resource even as its loosely thought of as only being used for weapons of mass destruction, yet no one (in their right mind) can make any rational argument why nuclear power--which has helped innumerable people around the world in basic energy needs and medicine for generations--should be eliminated outright.

Lena's basic point was spot-on in that regard (no matter her true motives behind the scenes), as every tool or form of energy poses a danger to someone, somewhere, yet cars--with global, fatal incidents taking 1.3 million lives per year plus an additional 20-50 million injured or disabled--are still manufactured, which will never end.
 
Hmmm.

I would love to see another conversation between Lena and Kara.

This time Lena has another lead lined case of Kryptonite and has stopped by Kara's apartment to chat about the unreasonableness of supers.

Lena is complaining vociferously about how inappropriate SG is by demanding she hand over all Kryptonite and destroy all documentation about how to manufacture it. While complaining about SG, Alex and Ruby walk in. Before Alex can pile onto the Kryptonite scrum, Ruby starts taking Lena to task for dissing her fav super-heroine.

Alex rightly separates Ruby and Lena while Kara tries to dispassionately defend SG's stance on the subject re Kryptonite's danger.

Lena explodes that Kryptonite is NOT dangerous and shows her by opening the case.

At that point Kara falls to her knees, gasping in pain and Ruby screams in terror as her skin starts to burn.

Alex yells and grabs the case from Lena, slamming it shut before running to soothe Ruby.

Lena is shocked at Ruby and Kara's reaction.

As Kara slowly struggles back to her feet, she removes her glasses and says, "I once asked your mom why she never told you who I was. She said because when you found out I lied to you, you would hate me for it. Before you let your anger consume you, look at Ruby and tell me having Kryptonite in your possession is like driving a car or being exposed to any number of potential dangers humans face in their everyday lives. "
 
For all the talk about the horrors of Kryptonite...in actual fight scenes, its effects seem relatively mild and temporary.

As for the Kara/Lena debate: I'm on Lena's side on this one. Green Arrow made a similar argument when he used a Kryptonite arrow on the Earth X Supergirl:

"Why do you have a Kryptonite arrow?"

"In case an evil you ever showed up!"
 
We still use Mercury for medical and commercial uses, despite it having severely damaging side effects or can be lethal with certain kinds of exposure. The same applies with nuclear power--which is a valuable energy resource even as its loosely thought of as only being used for weapons of mass destruction, yet no one (in their right mind) can make any rational argument why nuclear power--which has helped innumerable people around the world in basic energy needs and medicine for generations--should be eliminated outright.

Those things are different from kryptonite in a key way. They are universally dangerous to all life. Kryptonite is not, it is only lethal to Kryptonians. That's a big difference.
 
Those things are different from kryptonite in a key way. They are universally dangerous to all life. Kryptonite is not, it is only lethal to Kryptonians. That's a big difference.

Lena's point is that there is some inherent lethality in things humans use routinely, but there's no widespread call to ban the various things for that reason. She's spelling out that Kryptonite is in the same category, and Supergirl's stomping demands to confiscate all Kryptonite is irrational, as it--like cars, nuclear powers, dinner knives, etc.--is only lethal in the wrong hands. Confiscating Kryptonite punishes those doing legitimate research / application, all due to unjustified, unauthorized overreach and paranoia of the phantom enemies her behavior would suggest are on every street corner, waiting to pounce.
 
Good one, except no Luthor has ever succeeded in killing any Kryptonian on the show.




Yes... but still they try. ;)

I think of Kara's anti K crusade as an extreme form of the anti-peanut crusade that parents wage in their peanut allergic child's school. The potential risk seems unimportant until its your family member that lays gasping on the floor praying for an epipen to save them.



 
But on the other hand, the fact that kryptonite can't really do anything but kill Kryptonians

That might be the case when applied to a proper Kryptonian(and even then it can be applied in a non-lethal way, we've even seen the DEO use it to subdue Supergirl in the pilot episode, and she herself used it to train with Alex later on), but here we have a use for Kryptonite which is non-lethal, we've seen Lena use Kryptonite here in controlled doses for essentially medical purposes, trying to "cure" Sam of Reign. Because radiation kills, should we not attempt radiation therapy on cancer patients?

Those things are different from kryptonite in a key way. They are universally dangerous to all life. Kryptonite is not, it is only lethal to Kryptonians. That's a big difference.

If we today routinely use stuff that's dangerous to everyone to cure people that have no other option being cured, is it not a bit hypocritical to demand an absolute ban on stuff that's dangerous to some people but is the only way to help others?

I can understand Kara's reaction, but she is a bit myopic about the whole thing here.
 
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