I take it you've never seen Mon-El drawn in a "Legion of Superheroes" comic? I ask because they did a spot on recreation of it for the show.
Spoilers Supergirl - Season 3
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Supergirl--
"Trinity"
SG/Kara / James: Asking James--as Guardian--to commit breaking and entering to assure her that there's no stash of Kryptonite is beyond justified. Ask the DEO or do it herself, but placing James in a--one, illegal and two, emotionally compromising position is being as manipulative as everything she thinks she sees in Lena.
Of course, his being less than truthful about Lena's vault will lead to something horrible--like the revelation that Lena knows how to make Kryptonite, and as a result, it would not be a surprise if this (ultimately) spells the end of James' relationship to both Lena and Kara---probably ending his already reduced value on the show.
Mon-El: "I can't hurt my wife" -- total bullshit, since he's been all but begging to get back in her good graces from the moment he returned to the present. Yawn.
So much for the sanctity of marriage.
Lena: "I'm not your employee" Well...she's right about that, and the organization never revealing its true purpose to her or the public.
"What's your real name?" to Supergirl---Luthor or no Luthor, it was a valid counter to SG accusing her of having secrets.
Samantha (Reign): She had Alex by the throat...and what prevented her from snapping it like a twig?
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If Supergirl risked losing her powers in the valley (first trip) why not take J'onn--who is you know...superpowered, and has formidable mental control, instead of Alex? As a mere human, she is no match for any supernatural power that might live in, or feed off of that realm. Oh, but near the end of three seasons, the showrunners are giving her tools (a suit) to believably contribute to fights...
The Worldkiller arc is sort of flat--its just another build up that has more to do with sideline stories than the "threat" of the villains.
The entire valley / trinity sequence(s) borrowed much from the trio of witches scene from Clash of the Titans (UA, 1981).
GRADE: C
"Trinity"
SG/Kara / James: Asking James--as Guardian--to commit breaking and entering to assure her that there's no stash of Kryptonite is beyond justified. Ask the DEO or do it herself, but placing James in a--one, illegal and two, emotionally compromising position is being as manipulative as everything she thinks she sees in Lena.
Of course, his being less than truthful about Lena's vault will lead to something horrible--like the revelation that Lena knows how to make Kryptonite, and as a result, it would not be a surprise if this (ultimately) spells the end of James' relationship to both Lena and Kara---probably ending his already reduced value on the show.
Mon-El: "I can't hurt my wife" -- total bullshit, since he's been all but begging to get back in her good graces from the moment he returned to the present. Yawn.
So much for the sanctity of marriage.
Lena: "I'm not your employee" Well...she's right about that, and the organization never revealing its true purpose to her or the public.
"What's your real name?" to Supergirl---Luthor or no Luthor, it was a valid counter to SG accusing her of having secrets.
Samantha (Reign): She had Alex by the throat...and what prevented her from snapping it like a twig?
NOTES:
If Supergirl risked losing her powers in the valley (first trip) why not take J'onn--who is you know...superpowered, and has formidable mental control, instead of Alex? As a mere human, she is no match for any supernatural power that might live in, or feed off of that realm. Oh, but near the end of three seasons, the showrunners are giving her tools (a suit) to believably contribute to fights...
The Worldkiller arc is sort of flat--its just another build up that has more to do with sideline stories than the "threat" of the villains.
The entire valley / trinity sequence(s) borrowed much from the trio of witches scene from Clash of the Titans (UA, 1981).
GRADE: C
There was definitely a lot of soap opera drama in this episode. I actually think that Lena will become more of a rival to Supergirl next season. I don't think she will be an outright villain like Lex but she will have her own goals which will conflict with Supergirl's ethics and create conflict between them. The fact that Lena has artificial kryptonite won't sit well with Supergirl when she finds out. Then there is the lack of trust and secrets. Lena knows that Supergirl sent James to spy on her vault. James knows about the kyptonite and won't tell Supergirl which she will hate. I would not be surprised if James goes "villain" and sides with Lena against Supergirl next season.
The stuff with Sam and Julia in the dark valley was really intense and scary. A mother forgetting her own daughter's name... that's terrifying. The whole "alternate dimension of the mind" thing is still weird, though.
I'd object that Supergirl shouldn't lose her powers the moment the Sun is eclipsed, otherwise she'd be powerless at night or in a windowless room. But I'll give it a pass since it was a mystical eclipse. Which it would have to be if its effects were global, as the dialogue seemed to indicate. Of course, any real eclipse is only total over a small portion of the Earth at a time, since you have to see it from just the right angle. And if it was global, that would explain why Superman couldn't come to help. Although the bigger the threat the Worldkillers pose, the more it raises the question of why he's barely even been mentioned.
I'd object that Supergirl shouldn't lose her powers the moment the Sun is eclipsed, otherwise she'd be powerless at night or in a windowless room. But I'll give it a pass since it was a mystical eclipse. Which it would have to be if its effects were global, as the dialogue seemed to indicate. Of course, any real eclipse is only total over a small portion of the Earth at a time, since you have to see it from just the right angle. And if it was global, that would explain why Superman couldn't come to help. Although the bigger the threat the Worldkillers pose, the more it raises the question of why he's barely even been mentioned.
They established that it was a strain for Supergirl to sustain the link in her weakened state. She probably needs time to recover before attempting the link again.
Because of the mystical eclipse. It’s over. Her powers are back...
They took time to fade, and she went through a lot of strain while weakened. It's plausible that she wouldn't instantly snap back to full power.
Add in that Lena doesn't know that Kara = Supergirl so things could get real funny if she finds out and it adds into the mix above.
...and here's the thing about Kryptonite in this series: unless its officially illegal to possess, Supergirl and the DEO really have nothing to say about it, since it causes no harm to the human population (which should be their #1 concern).
Supergirl can talk about trust and suspicion until the end of time, but her behavior toward Lena, and emotional coercing of James places her in a morally bankrupt position, as she's going after everyone strictly for her own interests.
While that might add a level of depth previously unseen on Supergirl, it would place James in a predictably negative box; I seriously doubt the showrunners would ever have James make the argument that Supergirl cannot stomp her foot and control the actions of all others--assuming the use of Kryptonite "must" mean its to kill her--and have that argument stand to illustrate that beyond the Lena matter (whether she's a villain or not), Supergirl's views cannot be absolute.
OH, come on! She flew back to the desert. It's not like that time she lost powers fighting that...robot? There clearly has been some passage of time.
Hey, I'm not the one who wrote the episode, so don't shout at me over it.
I remember the last man who invented Synthetic kryptonite, and how well that turned out.
What's Rain Pryor up to these days?
What's Rain Pryor up to these days?
Wrote? The episode didn't even suggest what you are saying. It's you. Don't "blame" the writers
When Lena called James to apologize for ghosting/lying to him, I was waiting for him to hear Supergirl in the background and say something like, "say hi to Kara for me."
Likewise, when Lena, Alex and Supergirl found Sam in the Juru valley, I was hoping she would look up and say... "I killed you too, Lena... Alex... Kara."
One of these days, the woman that dissed Alex when she said... "My mother is the DEO's number one enemy, OF COURSE I knew you were DEO. (duh)" is going to have a cow when she finally learns who Supergirl really is.
Speaking of which, I was really glad Alex called Lena out on not telling HER about Sam since she was the first one Sam confided in and Alex was the one who encouraged her to tell her other 2 friends. And while Lena's excuse (it wasn't my truth to tell) sounds plausible, its also true for weeks Sam didn't know her truth and when she learned it she actually DID ask Lena to contact Alex. (duh)
I just hope and pray that after setting us up for 2 years, playing Lena against type, that they don't turn her into 'just another Luthor villain".
I wonder if her frustration with Lena's answers was one of the reasons Alex enjoyed poking Lena in the side with her spear in the Juru valley when Lena wondered if they would be useless. Speaking of the Juru valley/alternate dimension, I loved how much Supergirl complained while walking around there, "Is this what it feels like to exercise for humans? WHY would you ever want to DO that?" and her big sister's response "One foot in front of the other." (In my head I could hear Alex laughing if Lena wasn't there while she told Kara to "suck it up, buttercup.")
Oh, and on a different note, I am finding the caption typos to be hilarious in this ep. Like when Mon'el got hugged by J'onn and it read "Thanks Shaw."
I do have one problem (I'm willfully ignoring the whole artificial magic induced eclipse thing), why did Mon'el ask Imra if they could get back to the future? Wasn't that the whole point of this trip in the first place, to bring their DNA cure back home with them?
Actually, I had 2 problems with this ep, didn't anyone see the other 2 world killer's psychic energy infuse Reign? If so, why were they celebrating the death of Pestilence?
Cool trailer for next week!
Likewise, when Lena, Alex and Supergirl found Sam in the Juru valley, I was hoping she would look up and say... "I killed you too, Lena... Alex... Kara."
One of these days, the woman that dissed Alex when she said... "My mother is the DEO's number one enemy, OF COURSE I knew you were DEO. (duh)" is going to have a cow when she finally learns who Supergirl really is.
Speaking of which, I was really glad Alex called Lena out on not telling HER about Sam since she was the first one Sam confided in and Alex was the one who encouraged her to tell her other 2 friends. And while Lena's excuse (it wasn't my truth to tell) sounds plausible, its also true for weeks Sam didn't know her truth and when she learned it she actually DID ask Lena to contact Alex. (duh)
I just hope and pray that after setting us up for 2 years, playing Lena against type, that they don't turn her into 'just another Luthor villain".
I wonder if her frustration with Lena's answers was one of the reasons Alex enjoyed poking Lena in the side with her spear in the Juru valley when Lena wondered if they would be useless. Speaking of the Juru valley/alternate dimension, I loved how much Supergirl complained while walking around there, "Is this what it feels like to exercise for humans? WHY would you ever want to DO that?" and her big sister's response "One foot in front of the other." (In my head I could hear Alex laughing if Lena wasn't there while she told Kara to "suck it up, buttercup.")
Oh, and on a different note, I am finding the caption typos to be hilarious in this ep. Like when Mon'el got hugged by J'onn and it read "Thanks Shaw."
I do have one problem (I'm willfully ignoring the whole artificial magic induced eclipse thing), why did Mon'el ask Imra if they could get back to the future? Wasn't that the whole point of this trip in the first place, to bring their DNA cure back home with them?
Actually, I had 2 problems with this ep, didn't anyone see the other 2 world killer's psychic energy infuse Reign? If so, why were they celebrating the death of Pestilence?
Cool trailer for next week!
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It's Back to the Future II.
They come from the future where
I guess that was meant just for us, the others either weren't looking in her direction, or haven't played many video games where bosses power up to recognize that that's what's happening
It's Back to the Future II.
They come from the future whereBiffPestilence turns to Blight and wrecks the place, but that future (they think) is now prevented with her (supposed) death, so they technically can't go back to their future because it shouldn't exist anymore.
That all depends on the (noticeable) point of divergence.
Lets "say" they are from 3018 and Blight started taking out planets in 3010. That means that hundreds of ravaged worlds are not ravaged between 3010 and 3018, so the new 3018 is going to look inconsolably different from where they come from.
Arriving in 3009, and then "fixing" time in real time to make 3018 better seems like the best course since their younger selves will still be in play, and they will remember a version of history to help the UP navigate the trickier non-Blight related shit.
Although, what they are doing now in 2018, is probably big enough to completely derail 3009, so they won't know dick about the new history of the United Planets 2018 to 3018. However there could have been several moments of reset, like a big enough war or natural disaster, and 3009 could seem to be exactly what they think it should have been, even though it is a new timeline.
I think they recognize that she's more interesting as a morally ambiguous figure. They'd gain nothing from taking that away.
That was funny, but the problem is, Kara spent the first 12 years of her life without superpowers, and she lost her powers for about a week just two or so years ago, so she shouldn't be so unfamiliar with the sensation of fatigue.
But it was kind of a desperate gambit, throwing themselves into a cosmic anomaly. Presumably the default plan is just to go back into hibernation and get to the future the regular way, one day per day.
Supergirl--
"Shelter from the Storm"
SG/Kara: Wha--? Who the Hell is she to demand Lena do anything? She's not the law, and cannot force her fears on free citizens.
Lena was right to call her out on her God-complex, or self-appointed Authoritarian of the World. Various Superman stories in print and animation had him fight against sinking into that kind of dangerous mindset, or found resistance (from fellow heroes or citizens) when he crossed that line. That should be happening with Supergirl, but....
Now that Kara knows James did not break into the vault, and told her he's Guardian,, she feels betrayed, so the coming conflict should be an interesting study into who stands on the right side of things. Further, Kara also knows Lena is now turning into an adversary--or at least disrespects Supergirl to the point where there is no friendship. Actually, Lena's way of criticizing Supergirl read as if she knew she was talking to Supergirl.
Let me guess...now that Kara is hurt by those she trusted, to ease her pain / needing someone to turn to, she will kick the reality of adultery to the winds and fly right to Mon-El.....
James & Lena: Looks like sunshine and rainbows for this couple...but her "I'm really glad I can tell you my secrets" sounds like a line that is going south soon enough. I have the feeling Lex's mansion might play a part sometime in the future.
Mon-El: "I'll see him in a thousand years." in reference to J'onn. A storyline for next season? Hmm, part one.
...but the constant longing looks (and fondling the necklace) for one who is not his wife is utterly off-putting.
Saturn Girl: So much watering down of the character as an adult. I predicted they were pushing her toward a completely unrealistic "understanding" view of her husband's lusting after his old crush. If the series tried to dance near reality at all, she would jump on him for dragging her along all those years of an apparently fake, consolation marriage. The Teen Nick bullshit is a runaway train.
Samantha (Reign): "when we bury things, they come back harder" (Samantha's mother) - more than one meaning for this episode.
The Reign / Worldkiller arc is just so toothless, and as the season winds down, it seems its all about pointing toward making Alex a surrogate mother, since that's the only developed (somewhat) subplot...although Ruby nearly getting everyone killed (by making the call) should be addressed.
Winn: "Future dirt" from Brainiac. Hmm, part two.
J'onn: His father's decline deserves more attention; typically, in TV screenwriting, a recurring, sick character is only dropped in and out until a "big finish", usually a death episode. The only way death episodes work is if the one dying is given enough screen time to really make his life and plight feel real. Its only been half-successful with J'onn's father.
NOTES: The Luthor mansion's hall defense of flames, bullets, etc. was borrowed from the same kind of scene in Superman (1978).
GRADE: C
"Shelter from the Storm"
SG/Kara: Wha--? Who the Hell is she to demand Lena do anything? She's not the law, and cannot force her fears on free citizens.
Lena was right to call her out on her God-complex, or self-appointed Authoritarian of the World. Various Superman stories in print and animation had him fight against sinking into that kind of dangerous mindset, or found resistance (from fellow heroes or citizens) when he crossed that line. That should be happening with Supergirl, but....
Now that Kara knows James did not break into the vault, and told her he's Guardian,, she feels betrayed, so the coming conflict should be an interesting study into who stands on the right side of things. Further, Kara also knows Lena is now turning into an adversary--or at least disrespects Supergirl to the point where there is no friendship. Actually, Lena's way of criticizing Supergirl read as if she knew she was talking to Supergirl.
Let me guess...now that Kara is hurt by those she trusted, to ease her pain / needing someone to turn to, she will kick the reality of adultery to the winds and fly right to Mon-El.....
James & Lena: Looks like sunshine and rainbows for this couple...but her "I'm really glad I can tell you my secrets" sounds like a line that is going south soon enough. I have the feeling Lex's mansion might play a part sometime in the future.
Mon-El: "I'll see him in a thousand years." in reference to J'onn. A storyline for next season? Hmm, part one.
...but the constant longing looks (and fondling the necklace) for one who is not his wife is utterly off-putting.
Saturn Girl: So much watering down of the character as an adult. I predicted they were pushing her toward a completely unrealistic "understanding" view of her husband's lusting after his old crush. If the series tried to dance near reality at all, she would jump on him for dragging her along all those years of an apparently fake, consolation marriage. The Teen Nick bullshit is a runaway train.
Samantha (Reign): "when we bury things, they come back harder" (Samantha's mother) - more than one meaning for this episode.
The Reign / Worldkiller arc is just so toothless, and as the season winds down, it seems its all about pointing toward making Alex a surrogate mother, since that's the only developed (somewhat) subplot...although Ruby nearly getting everyone killed (by making the call) should be addressed.
Winn: "Future dirt" from Brainiac. Hmm, part two.
J'onn: His father's decline deserves more attention; typically, in TV screenwriting, a recurring, sick character is only dropped in and out until a "big finish", usually a death episode. The only way death episodes work is if the one dying is given enough screen time to really make his life and plight feel real. Its only been half-successful with J'onn's father.
NOTES: The Luthor mansion's hall defense of flames, bullets, etc. was borrowed from the same kind of scene in Superman (1978).
GRADE: C
Oh, it's a shame the Legionnaires are gone already, especially Saturn Girl -- I will miss that silky voice. But at least they explained why they never revived the other frozen Legionnaires. Although the whole "We have to hurry to get Imra back to 1000 years in the future" business made no sense. They made it part of the way through cryogenics, why not go the rest of the way?
Effective episode overall. Lex's evil mansion was a neat setting, and the way Supergirl got through to Reign was terrific. The action was pretty good too, and it was neat when Ruby tried to come to Supergirl's rescue. Brave girl.
But that last scene with Kara and Lena in the elevator... ouch. You wouldn't expect a conflict between Supergirl and a Luthor to come down to Supergirl being the one acting petty and untrustworthy. Having that reflected back on her by a friend... that must be rough. She's got some serious thinking to do.
Anyway, that elevator scene was the first time we've seen Kara in civilian clothes for at least two weeks, maybe even three. That's probably a record for the longest continuous time as Supergirl.
Effective episode overall. Lex's evil mansion was a neat setting, and the way Supergirl got through to Reign was terrific. The action was pretty good too, and it was neat when Ruby tried to come to Supergirl's rescue. Brave girl.
But that last scene with Kara and Lena in the elevator... ouch. You wouldn't expect a conflict between Supergirl and a Luthor to come down to Supergirl being the one acting petty and untrustworthy. Having that reflected back on her by a friend... that must be rough. She's got some serious thinking to do.
Anyway, that elevator scene was the first time we've seen Kara in civilian clothes for at least two weeks, maybe even three. That's probably a record for the longest continuous time as Supergirl.
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