Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[TREK_GOD_1]

My god, this one was just full of the writers going: "Screw and logic or intelligence - lets go back to 1950ies comic book logic..."

Well, its not like the writers ever had a lock on logic. Their series are strictly about emotions flying in every direction. It only works when they focus on one plot. Cadmus should have been that one, building plot, and if Lena has anything to do with it (as an antagonist), fine. If not, she's there just to milk the Luthor name, or subjects of no benefit to this superhero series.

jaramiah gets Kara/Mon-El out pretty easily. I really hope we find out he's willingly working for them or something because the whole "You go, I have to stay..." bit is just so contrived.

Agreed. If he is some sort of good guy working in the system, after FIFTEEN YEARS in Cadmus, he would know that building an offense would work best if he's not in the middle of enemy territory. In that time, Kara became Supergirl and works for Hank at the DEO, so if Jeremiah is legitimately a good guy, the chances of taking down Cadmus would improve dramatically with a united front--not one man inside. Then again, as many in this thread have observed, logic is a rare thing to find in the Supergirl plots.

Also, I thought at least with all the hassle they went through to get a blood sample from Supergirl - we'd be seeing a Galatea/Power Girl story element at some point -

That's where the story should go as a challenge to SG's role in the world (similar to the plot from the series SG heavily mines--Justice League Unlimited), instead of more episodes about the sisters and their missing daddy.

but it's just something that Cyborg Superman uses to fool the defenses of the Fortress of Solitude; and he does so by simply pouring the contents of the vial over his hand and placing it on what appears to be a handprint scanner. Wow Kryptonian biometric technology must have been non-existent on Krypton if that's all it takes.

...and pouring the blood? Who would waste a biological goldmine like that? Immature theatrics from the showrunners.

I honestly don't mind the occasional 'handwave' or 'yeah. they just needed to move the story' nonsense once in a while; but this was ridiculous. They didn't just make use of the 'Idiot Ball' here - they employed the 'Idiot Sledgehammer'.

Between super blowing, super sucking, heat ray vision, superscreaming, super clapping, superhypnosis and FLIGHT I have no idea how they kept that idiot prisoner in a cell.

Yes, the bars, floors and even ceiling were nth metal, but that nth metal is bolted to concrete or something else that she can can break. Like a hamster in a hamster ball, Kara could have ripped that cage from the building's and then demolished the entire block and everything else owned by a Luthor, from inside an nth metal wrecking ball.

Please do not post rational solutions the showrunners will never use.

Kara needs to change her superhero name to Stupidgirl.

...yes, on several occasions, she earns that title. This is the same person who questions how The Guardian handles his affairs? He's been largely successful, while she's prone to accidents and/or capture, while just doing whatever she desires (as SG) with no legal authorization.

 

[kirk55555]

That's where the story should go as a challenge to SG's role in the world (similar to the plot from the series SG heavily mines--Justice League Unlimited), instead of more episodes about the sisters and their missing daddy.

Eh, as someone who loves JLU, I thought that the Galatea storyline was really stupid (and I'm not just saying that because as a fan of Power Girl it felt a bit like a FU). They already did the evil clone of Supergirl anyway, with Bizarro Supergirl. It was lame, but they did it. Galatea is really just about the last DC Animated Universe thing Supergirl should be "borrowing", in my opinion. That said, when it comes to stealing from JLU I'd love to see something like the Ultimen. A home grown (literally) team of "heroes" controlled by Cadmus could be cool, especially if they kept the gimmick of having the "heroes" be references to the Superfriends original characters (like Apache Chief, Wonder Twins, etc).

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Kara needs to change her superhero name to Stupidgirl.

Nah, she can't. All names starting with Stupid in the omniverse have been trademarked by Barry Allen.

 

[JD]

The whole episode was full of a lot of random unrelated events without much explanation. Why would Cadmus or the real Hank name him "Cyborg Superman"? In the context of the show it makes no sense.

Yeah, the whole Cyborg Superman thing felt really random just going by what we saw here. I guess they could try to say he was meant to be some kind of weapon against the Els, but there was really nothing to really indicate that in the episode itself.

I was expecting some type of reveal with Jeremiah at the end. Maybe he is working with Cadmus and was supposed to make it look like he helped Kara escape. It was all Lillian's plan. But nothing.I wonder if Dean is already back next week. Helen Slater is. Sure it's not been announced but neither was him being in this episode either.

Yeah, I was surprised by how low key his appearance was. Obviously Kara was happy to see him, but it didn't really feel like it was as big a deal as it should have been.

Mon-El is keeping a secret from Kara he wants to share. I wonder if it involves the real way he escaped from Daxam.

That was the impression I got from the way everything played out.

If you have superpowers-such as lazer/electro/heat vision, and you're locked in a cell with nice, evenly spaced unbreakable Nth metal bars, couldn't you at least try and do something? Shoot heat vision thru those nicely spaced bars, and blast holes in the room's walls, ceiling, and floors to attract attention. Spin at high speed and create a vortex that blows down the walls (hey, you and your fellow captive are near Invulnerable, you'd be safe inside those super strong cells...) with hopes that plucky DEO minions monitoring the city would notice? And if your fellow captive is being threatened with a gun, I dunno, use that power to fry the evil leader's hand mid monolouge?

Yeah, that whole scene didn't really make sense. I know Mon-El told her the bars were unbreakable N-th metal, but you'd think they could have tried to find some other way to get out that didn't involve breaking the bars. And even if she didn't fry Dr. Luthor's hand, you'd still think should have found some way to stop the bullet before it actually hit Mon-El.

- jaramiah gets Kara/Mon-El out pretty easily. I really hope we find out he's willingly working for them or something because the whole "You go, I have to stay..." bit is just so contrived.

I'm wondering if he is trying to somehow keep Kara safe by staying inside CADMUS.
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Also, I thought at least with all the hassle they went through to get a blood sample from Supergirl - we'd be seeing a Galatea/Power Girl story element at some point - but it's just something that Cyborg Superman uses to fool the defenses of the Fortress of Solitude; and he does so by simply pouring the contents of the vial over his hand and placing it on what appears to be a handprint scanner. Wow Kryptonian biometric technology must have been non-existent on Krypton if that's all it takes.

Yeah that was kind of strange. You'd think technology that advance would have needed more than just a bit of blood to be fooled.
The whole Guardian thing was kind of annoying too. You'd think at least a few people would have questioned why "Guardian"'s whole MO suddenly changed. I know he hasn't been active very long at this point, but you'd at least a few people would have questioned things a bit more before deciding he was the one who was killing people.
I'm usually a big defender of the show, but there really was a lot in this episode that was hard to defend.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I'm kinda confused on the timeline of this.

I was under the impression that Lex had been imprisoned relatively recently(maybe a year or so prior to the premier of Supergirl), considering Lena only took it upon herself to re-brand and re-imagine Luthorcorp in the season premiere.

Lillian Luthor justifies her involvement with Cadmus being Lex's imprisonment, but Hank and Jeremiah had been with Cadmus for 15 years, presumably way before Lex turned into a villain. So did she only recently get involved with Cadmus?

Possibly, but she's so experienced with all things alien, that she could not be some recent appointment. She could have been part of another government organization during the same period Lex and Superman first met, then moved in the direction of any government anti-alien programs once Lex had conflicts with Superman. Either way, her her timeline--including her contact and actions with the real Hank and Jeremiah needs to be addressed by the show.

What were real Hank and Jeremiah doing all these years? Also, since they had the real Hank all this time they obviously knew the head of the DEO was an impostor. So why not expose him within those 15 years?

Good point; no one would sit on such an explosive secret like J'onn being in charge of a government organization for nearly two decades--and I cannot accept the (possibly TV-pushed) theory that Cadmus was just waiting for some "right time" to expose him--and other aliens hiding among the human population.

 

[Christopher]

Judging by synopses, the viewing order for the crossover, chronologically, will be Flash > Supergirl > Arrow > Legends.

Not really. Most of the Supergirl episode will be unconnected to the crossover; it's just the final minutes that tie in. Then The Flash jumps back a bit to show the beginnings of the crisis, but Supergirl arrives well before the end of that episode, evidently. So it'd be more like: Most of Supergirl > First part of Flash > Last minutes of Supergirl > Remainder of Flash > Arrow > Legends. So it's probably simpler just to watch Supergirl first and live with a flashforward, so to speak.

Heck, keep in mind that the Flash episode of Supergirl aired weeks before its counterpart event in The Flash. So we can surmise that the relative time flow of the two Earths is a little out of sync.

Yeah, the whole Cyborg Superman thing felt really random just going by what we saw here. I guess they could try to say he was meant to be some kind of weapon against the Els, but there was really nothing to really indicate that in the episode itself.

I think the explanation lies in Lillian's line about Lex being "a true superman." It's like she's trying to co-opt the term "superman" to refer to a superior human as a way of pushing back against a Kryptonian's adoption of the name.

Yeah, that whole scene didn't really make sense. I know Mon-El told her the bars were unbreakable N-th metal, but you'd think they could have tried to find some other way to get out that didn't involve breaking the bars. And even if she didn't fry Dr. Luthor's hand, you'd still think should have found some way to stop the bullet before it actually hit Mon-El.

Given the way Nth metal was portrayed on Legends of Tomorrow as having energy-channeling properties, I'm not sure it would've been safe to use high-energy effects like heat vision around it. Maybe Kara knew that from her Kryptonian education.

The whole Guardian thing was kind of annoying too. You'd think at least a few people would have questioned why "Guardian"'s whole MO suddenly changed. I know he hasn't been active very long at this point, but you'd at least a few people would have questioned things a bit more before deciding he was the one who was killing people.

The video footage made it look as though Guardian had shot the man. People tend to latch onto their first impressions.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Forget the blood...was I the only one who noticed that Superman has his Fortress robot set to disintegrate intruders? So much for the CW's warm, fuzzy alternative to Cavill's Man of Steel....

 

[Guy Gardener]

If Supergirl spat at someone hard enough it would create a window in their body you could see outside the other side through.

If she threw her boot, at the regular ceiling out side the nth metal ceiling, it would cave in the ceiling, trapping and killing many of the baddies in that room.

Kara from inside the sell could have ran in circles creating a wind tunnel that would pulp everyone in the room, and might even be about to spin off a few volatile twisters to curl off and devastate the rest of the building out side of the cell.

I know I mentioned Super-Screaming as a weapon before, but what about super Superscreaming as a method of communication? She can yell loud enough to be heard through sound proofing a few miles away, which of course would have juiced every ones brain in that room including Mon-El.

Doesn't she have a telepathic/empathic bond with Jonn, who thinks of her as a daughter?

Sure there's not a lot of room to build up speed, but spinning on the spot... If Kara is as fast as Barry, she could have opened a time portal or a portal to another universe, and got out of the cell.

 

[JD]

I think the explanation lies in Lillian's line about Lex being "a true superman." It's like she's trying to co-opt the term "superman" to refer to a superior human as a way of pushing back against a Kryptonian's adoption of the name.

Hmm, that is a nice explanation.

Given the way Nth metal was portrayed on Legends of Tomorrow as having energy-channeling properties, I'm not sure it would've been safe to use high-energy effects like heat vision around it. Maybe Kara knew that from her Kryptonian education.

I didn't realize that, but I still think they could have tried something. There were some pretty big gaps between the bars, so I would have thought with all of their powers they could have found some way to get something out of between them that allow them to escape.

The video footage made it look as though Guardian had shot the man. People tend to latch onto their first impressions.

Didn't Winn or James say that you could see Guardian leave before the guy got shot?

 

[Christopher]

Didn't Winn or James say that you could see Guardian leave before the guy got shot?

That's how they interpreted the footage because they already knew that's what actually happened. It was ambiguous enough to make it look like Guardian just stepped out of frame for a few moments (maybe to get the machine gun?) and came back.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Guardian stepped out of frame... And them 5 seconds later the Vigilante (what's his name?) stepped into frame, as if they were the same person, or standing less than ten feet apart, which makes it seem unlikely that Guardian wouldn't have noticed some jacked dude with a machine gun just lurking a few arm lengths away.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Forget the blood...was I the only one who noticed that Superman has his Fortress robot set to disintegrate intruders? So much for the CW's warm, fuzzy alternative to Cavill's Man of Steel....

So you mean there's hope the TV DC productions have finally seen the light?

Didn't Winn or James say that you could see Guardian leave before the guy got shot?

James said that, and quite certain the Guardian was gone before the murder.

 

[cylkoth]

I didn't realize that, but I still think they could have tried something. There were some pretty big gaps between the bars, so I would have thought with all of their powers they could have found some way to get something out of between them that allow them to escape.

If only I had superspeed, I could just....naw, nevermind, I'm too mesmerized by her monologue.

 

[Guy Gardener]

8 seasons of Desperate Housewives conditioning will do that to you.

 

[dahj]

Forget the blood...was I the only one who noticed that Superman has his Fortress robot set to disintegrate intruders?

He already threatened to incinerate Metallo, but nobody noticed because he was smiling I guess...

 

[Snaploud]

Side note: it was a little annoying when they skated by an explanation of some guy 'getting off on a technicality' 'due to a misclassification of the weapon' causing a 'mistrial.' How was the weapon misclassified? Why did the misclassification matter in terms of getting a mistrial, and why did the DA not bother to have another trial? I realize that the law isn't a focus if this show, but that was really lazy writing.

 

[Marc]

Side note: it was a little annoying when they skated by an explanation of some guy 'getting off on a technicality' 'due to a misclassification of the weapon' causing a 'mistrial.' How was the weapon misclassified? Why did the misclassification matter in terms of getting a mistrial, and why did the DA not bother to have another trial? I realize that the law isn't a focus if this show, but that was really lazy writing.

when the guy was acquitted, double jeopardy would have attached.

Plus the gun aka the evidence was crucial part of the DA's case and was ruled inadmissable in the first case it's probably not going to be allowed in retrial so the DA probably couldn't make the case on retrial.

 

[Forbin]

Well, however strong Nth metal is, it's apparently easy to weld. Look at those joints.

 

[Snaploud]

when the guy was acquitted, double jeopardy would have attached.

They didn't say he was acquitted. They said it was a mistrial.

Plus the gun aka the evidence was crucial part of the DA's case and was ruled inadmissable

They said it was a weapon misclassification. They didn't say the gun couldn't be used as evidence nor that such a ruling would carry over to a new trial. They didn't explain the judge's ruling at all.

in the first case it's probably not going to be allowed in retrial so the DA probably couldn't make the case on retrial.

From a story-point of view, this is a very important point in weighing the relative rightness or wrongness of the vigilantie's actions. The writers should have been more clear. Instead, they used a cliched term ('gotten off on a technicality') to avoid the moral debate entirely. It was lazy writing.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I'm watching a show about a flying, super-strong alien, not Law & Order: National City.