Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[Christopher]

I rewatched the episode, and I noted that the van from which Winn helps James/Guardian is labeled "Star-Spangled Delivery Co., Since 1941." Which is a reference to Star-Spangled Comics, the series in which Guardian debuted (in issue #7 in April 1942, but the book began in '41).

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

And... how the hell is James constantly just walking into the top secret government paramilitary headquarters? I work for a simple, basic government contractor, and any visitor requires prior notification, security vetting, and an escort on premises. If we HAD a NORAD-like control room, you can bet "friends of employees" wouldn't even know it existed, much less be able to walk into it.

That's part of the less-than-serious, Laverne & Shirley part of the series--where characters just waltz into private dwellings unannounced, and no one questions it. Compare the way government agencies are handled here to the way it was written for Superman: The Animated Series or Justice League Unlimited--the cartoons presented agencies that seemed professional, adult in tone and not the kind of place where a high-school-like free for all was the order of the day.

 

[matthunter]

Well, if you don't count hiring obvious whackjobs like Dr. Milo. Or retaining loose cannons like Hardacre after he, y'know, sanctioned a nuclear strike against a civilian population.

 

[Commander Richard]

I was afraid we get another Kara has to deal with losing her powers for an episode based on the itunes description.

The drain effect was interesting though.
The "mummified" appearance of her was clearly inspired by Batman vs Superman.
Thankfully they didn't burry her alive.

I thought it was rapid aging and saw it as a missed opportunity to have an episode with a rapidly aged Kara.

And speaking of aging, they never really needed to explain Superman's supposed lack of aging. Hoechlin can certainly pass for 37.

 

[Commander Richard]

6x07...

• The police didn't see the other guy run away?
• Hank is Cyborg Superman after all. I want to see him in costume.
  
• What contrived explanation do they have for keeping Jeremiah away?

 

[Tuskin38]

Ugh that "I am cyborg superman" line was so cringy/cheesy

So did they say the cells were made of thanagarian metal, or did I mishear that?

 

[Dick Whitman]

The whole episode was full of a lot of random unrelated events without much explanation. Why would Cadmus or the real Hank name him "Cyborg Superman"? In the context of the show it makes no sense. I was expecting some type of reveal with Jeremiah at the end. Maybe he is working with Cadmus and was supposed to make it look like he helped Kara escape. It was all Lillian's plan. But nothing.

I wonder if Dean is already back next week. Helen Slater is. Sure it's not been announced but neither was him being in this episode either.

Mon-El is keeping a secret from Kara he wants to share. I wonder if it involves the real way he escaped from Daxam.

 

[sojourner]

What contrived reason will they use to explain the name "cyborg Superman"?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

"The Darkest Places"--

SG/Kara: Oh, man...
About The Guardian: "I just don't the city should be putting their trust in him so quickly". Really? She jumped into being a superhero and craved public acceptance/attention from the start! Hypocrite.

"My cousin once worked with a vigilante" -- Obviously a Batman reference...and no one should expect him to appear on this show.

So, in the event she met her end, her last words to Alex is about living her own life? That's the last thing she has to say? Nothing of personal depth / citing their relationship as sisters? Really, the showrunners should just scroll messages at the bottom of the screen for all the lack of subtlety.

James/Guardian: James is framed for murder, but notice how quick Supergirl--with NO evidence--passes judgement on him (partially due to jealousy), with her "Lets get this guy once and for all?" More self righteous, hypocritical behavior. She did not expect or appreciate the same when Bizarro Supergirl smeared her image, but anyone "stealing" her thunder "must" be bad. But I guess its all cool with her quickie, last minute turn around...

"Gun nut?" How would James know what the motives of the shooter are to use such a description? Sigh. Pointlessly politicized dialogue...again.

The fight between Phillip / Vigilante was not executed well. The

Hank / Miss Martian: So miss Martian's blood causes hallucinations... The entire Green vs. White martian conflict was underwhelming.

Mama Luthor: Her sense of betrayal (at the hands of Kryptonians) was believable; one might argue that Lex would not move into his megalomaniacal direction if he never met / interacted with Superman, who made the man seek beyond his human limits. Its easy to simply paint her with a broad brush of being "evil", but one could argue she has a point in reference to Lex.

Taking SG's blood--she wants to knw about project Medusa, but I cannot help wondering if audiences should get ready for Galatea.

Daddy Danvers: Real--or Cadmus agent?

Alex:Spilling her guts to Maggie then walking off as if their connection was all over. Come on, that's one the oldest dangling sub-plots in TV history. Who could not see where that's going. Oh, and Maggie is that connected to Alex after knowing her for no time at all? Forced.

Mon-El: Gee, Mon-El interested in Kara. Something else we did not see coming (sarcasm).

NOTES: If James can be wanted / charged (the overall point is that he's a vigilante), that should apply to Supergirl as well; she works for the DEO, but that does not make her deputized to enforce city or state law, any more than the FBI cannot act as city police with the same authority. In fact, Winn refers to her (in the conversation with Alex) as a vigilante, so fatalities or not, "doing the right thing" or not still makes her a lawbreaker.

Thanagarian's Nth metal. Hmm......

 

[Commander Richard]

Ugh that "I am cyborg superman" line was so cringy/cheesy

I agree.

So did they say the cells were made of thanagarian metal, or did I mishear that?

Yes, Mon-El said that the metal was from Thanagar.

 

[Christopher]

Does this show seem to be feeling darker lately? Not only in the sense that the situation is getting increasingly angsty for most everyone, but in the sense that they seem to be shooting at night more.

Having Hank Henshaw actually call himself "Cyborg Superman" is a bit awkward, given that there's no evident connection between him and Superman and no attempt at an impersonation.

Another Jack Kirby/Guardian in-joke -- the bad guy Guardian takes down (or up) at the beginning is running from a store whose sign says "NEWSBOY."

So did they say the cells were made of thanagarian metal, or did I mishear that?

Yep -- Nth metal from Thanagar. So that confirms that Thanagar exists in at least two parallel universes.

Also, they pretty strongly hinted that Batman exists in this universe. And Kara's not a big fan of masked vigilantes with issues. Should make for fun times when she meets the Green Arrow next week...

 

[Tuskin38]

Should make for fun times when she meets the Green Arrow next week...

I completely forgot it was next week and thought it was this week, I was excited to see it. Oh well.

 

[Commander Richard]

"My cousin once worked with a vigilante" -- Obviously a Batman reference...and no one should expect him to appear on this show.

Also, they pretty strongly hinted that Batman exists in this universe.

I like that he comes off as an urban legend like the Mothman.

Mama Luthor: Her sense of betrayal (at the hands of Kryptonians) was believable; one might argue that Lex would not move into his megalomaniacal direction if he never met / interacted with Superman, who made the man seek beyond his human limits. Its easy to simply paint her with a broad brush of being "evil", but one could argue she has a point in reference to Lex.

Yes, that was some good stuff.

I think we'll see Lex someday and I look forward to that.

 

[Mudd]

Yeah, Cuz worked with a vigilante, "lots of gadgets, lots of demons."

 

[Vendikarr]

Mon'El's big reveal doesn't seem to surprising to me. They just talked about how that prince saw something in him and saved him. And then he has to tell her something? It's obvious to me that Mon'El is the prince. Kara should have put that together on her own.

 

[The Old Mixer]

^Or maybe he stole the prince's ship....

I think we can consider Mama Luthor an unreliable narrator concerning what really happened between Superman and Lex...but it's intriguing that in this version, they were apparently allies (like in Lex's Silver Age origin) during Superman's costumed career (unlike...that other show) before they fell out.

 

[DigificWriter]

It seems pretty obvious to me that Jeremiah stayed behind because he's an actual member of Cadmus and not a prisoner, as evidenced by the fact that he had a security card, knew exactly where Kara and Mon-El were, and how to open their cells.

 

[cylkoth]

If you have superpowers-such as lazer/electro/heat vision, and you're locked in a cell with nice, evenly spaced unbreakable Nth metal bars, couldn't you at least try and do something? Shoot heat vision thru those nicely spaced bars, and blast holes in the room's walls, ceiling, and floors to attract attention. Spin at high speed and create a vortex that blows down the walls (hey, you and your fellow captive are near Invulnerable, you'd be safe inside those super strong cells...) with hopes that plucky DEO minions monitoring the city would notice? And if your fellow captive is being threatened with a gun, I dunno, use that power to fry the evil leader's hand mid monolouge?

And why do you insist on giving away too much information that an especially bright-and eeeeevillll villian, could use to help deduce your super secret, secret identity????!
It took Winn weeks to create Guardian's hero suit, but some yahoo came up with a knock off in a fraction of the time? One that let him best the real Guardian???

Oy vey. Really writers? C'mon, you've got to do better than this.

 

[Christopher]

It seems pretty obvious to me that Jeremiah stayed behind because he's an actual member of Cadmus and not a prisoner, as evidenced by the fact that he had a security card, knew exactly where Kara and Mon-El were, and how to open their cells.

I assume it's a "working for them to counter their excesses from within" sort of double-agenty thing.

What I'm wondering is this: Presumably Hank Henshaw didn't just now get turned into a cyborg. He's obviously been one for some time. So why has he been just hiding out at Cadmus for all these years instead of exposing J'onn as an impostor? Why wait until now to show himself?

And why do you insist on giving away too much information that an especially bright-and eeeeevillll villian, could use to help deduce your super secret, secret identity????!

Like what?

It took Winn weeks to create Guardian's hero suit, but some yahoo came up with a knock off in a fraction of the time? One that let him best the real Guardian???

I don't think it was the suit that did that, I think it was his military training. Also, Winn designed the Guardian suit more with defense in mind than attack -- his priority is to make sure James doesn't get himself killed. The villain's suit was all offense. And it's generally a lot simpler to destroy than to protect.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Clearly Jeremiah has not been just sitting in a cell all these years. He said he was proud of Kara being Supergirl. So he is aware of what has happened in the outside world.