Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1
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I'm going with gender-swapped Emil Hamilton, personally, especially since Amelia is the feminine derivative of Emil.
The quote is "you look like the attractive, yet non-threatening, racially diverse cast of a CW show." It was a great line.
I doubt it. My guess is the show will want to drag out the Kara-Jimmy romance arc as much as possible. The Myriad device will conveniently give Jimmy temporary amnesia so that he won't remember the kiss and the relationship will be reset.
I never suggested otherwise. My point was that we've seen at most two metahumans in the show before now, so there would've been very few opportunities for the characters to use the term, so it's plausible that the absence of the term until now was merely due to lack of opportunities for its use, rather than due to its nonexistence.
Yeah, when I heard them call her "Dr. Hamilton," I mused to myself, "Hmm. Emilia Hamilton, perhaps?" I wasn't far off.
Though it's starting to bug me that so many Superman characters and elements are showing up as original to Supergirl's world, like Bizarro and red kryptonite and Dr. Hamilton. It's starting to look as though Superman himself has had a pretty uneventful career.
Speaking of DEO personnel, does anyone know the name of that recurring DEO officer who's become the default "only junior officer with lines" character? The one who keeps calling Supergirl "Ma'am," and who surreptitiously let Supergirl listen in on Alex's interrogation last week? I know Supergirl addressed her by name there, but I didn't catch the name.
Maybe she's Emil's daughter?
I continue to find it odd that Marvel has gotten this reputation for being lighter than DC. Marvel was pioneering superhero angst and tragedy while DC was still mostly doing stuff about Superman playing mean pranks on Jimmy or dodging Lois's attempts to get him to marry her or contending with Mr. Mxyzptlk's latest mischief. Comics would never have become mature or serious without Marvel's example, although Marvel never lost its sense of humor in the process. DC only outgrew its goofiness when it started trying to copy Marvel's more mature approach. Both companies tended to get excessively dark and violent and self-important in the late '80s and '90s, but I suppose the difference is that Marvel has regained its balance of humor and seriousness while DC is still trapped in the ultra-serious mode that comes with having something to prove.
So the Berlanti shows aren't imitating Marvel, they're drawing on DC's own Silver and Bronze Age history and reclaiming the sense of fun that DC used to have, before everything became about trying to emulate Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns and Kingdom Come all the time.
Berlanti has said he's hoping for further crossovers and maybe bringing the Green Arrow in as well.
I wouldn't say that. Being a superhero isn't about being better than everyone else, it's about helping everyone else. And sometimes that means being part of a team. Besides, firefighters are real-life heroes. They put their lives on the line to protect the public. So why shouldn't they get their moment in the sun?
Daredevil recently addressed this, how sometimes it's important for the hero to let the legitimate authorities do their job, but it was done a bit hypocritically, with DD catching the bad guy and just letting the cops take the credit. I think this is better, actually letting the everyday heroes earn a win. It also fits with Supergirl's themes, the idea that part of being a superhero is inspiring others to be their best, and that we're all "stronger together."
Vazquez. She's played by an actress named Briana Venskus.
He'd be an older man in this universe if that were the case, because the actress playing her - Sarah Robson - is at least in her mid-to-late 30s.
Maybe I'm soulless and dead inside, but as cute and as funny as I thought last night's episode was, it disappointed me. I wanted something a little more substantial, I guess. Kara's seeming insta-crush on Barry was fun, and Barry and Kara had a great rapport, but I wanted to see more of the nascent Winn/Barry bromance, too. I also wanted Barry to angst a little more about whether or not he'd get home; he seemed far too relaxed about his situation to me. And something important -- the NCPD having metahuman holding cells, thanks to Barry -- happens off-screen.
I had warm, fuzzy feelings watching it. I really did! The more I thought about it afterwards, though, the less I liked it.
I had warm, fuzzy feelings watching it. I really did! The more I thought about it afterwards, though, the less I liked it.
They have 42 minutes to tell a story. They can't possibly get everything each individual person wants into it. They did a lot of things off screen, including the cells, and Barry finding out Kara's last name (Zor-el). I'm okay with that.
Not a problem. Hamilton usually has been portrayed as middle-aged. In his live-action appearances, he was played by 52-year-old John Pleshette in Lois & Clark and 58-year-old Richard Schiff in Man of Steel. In Superman: The Animated Series, he was depicted as a gray-haired man and voiced by the 50-something Victor Brandt; a decade later in Justice League Unlimited, he was played by Robert Foxworth, who was born just 10 months before Brandt. He was played by 31-year-old Alessandro Juliani in Smallville, but that was a prequel.
Also, Supergirl is sort of a sequel to a Superman series we never saw. Cub reporter Jimmy Olsen has grown up into successful, hunky photojournalist James Olsen, Cat Grant has gone from Daily Planet gossip columnist to Queen of All Media, etc. So everyone's about a dozen years older than they would've been in that putative Superman series. So an Emil Hamilton who'd been fiftyish when Superman's career began could easily have a daughter in her upper 30s by the time of this show.
Hmm. I personally like the idea that she's a gender-swapped Emil, but to each their own.
The story served Supergirl more than The Flash - I suppose that unlike Arrow/Flash/LoT there's even less of an assumption that viewers of one show are watching another. As such, they couldn't spend too much time on Barry and his problems.
Scheduling-wise, I assume this was done to sync-up thematically with BvS and maybe that's why Barry's apparently going to leave for his trip after he's shown to have traveled to National City. The continuing Flash narrative couldn't be disrupted for this, I guess.
Scheduling-wise, I assume this was done to sync-up thematically with BvS and maybe that's why Barry's apparently going to leave for his trip after he's shown to have traveled to National City. The continuing Flash narrative couldn't be disrupted for this, I guess.
I think it was more about finding the right place for the story in Supergirl's ongoing narrative. They discussed this in the interview I linked to in post #2784 above. They wanted Barry's appearance to be in a story that had meaning for Kara's arc rather than just being a gimmick, so it made sense to put it at a point where she was at a low ebb after red K and Alex and J'onn's departure, a point when she needed a superheroic friend to buoy her up and provide guidance.
Still, it's reasonable to suspect that the scheduling of BvS was a factor in their choice to do an arc like this around now, given that they both involve the Super-hero being mistrusted by the public.
Yes, it was--a perfect summary of focus group TV "creative" process
The kiss--and the emotion leading up to it should not be altered or erased by Myriad, as it all happened before activation, unless someone knows other details about how it works. There should be no turning back on this major, running plot of the series.
So...I'm the only one who thought it was kind of douchy for Winn to feel icky about maybe frenching an alien for the past two weeks when he's been panting over someone he knows is an alien the whole season?
Also, I'm glad I never watched Glee if the meet-cute, adorkable way Kara and Barry interacted was any indication of what that show was like.
I hate shows where I want the bad guys to win, but of course they were stupid. They didn't need Cat alive to draw out Supergirl and Flash. Livewire could just have electrocuted her right then and there in the park and the breaking news story "Cat Grant Killed" would have done it. And Cat would be dead, and many would be happy.
I also liked the music cues, and the "Fastball Special" solution...which they stole from MARVEL! (Make Mine Marvel!)
Overall, yes it was better than BvS, but that doesn't take much.
Also, I'm glad I never watched Glee if the meet-cute, adorkable way Kara and Barry interacted was any indication of what that show was like.
I hate shows where I want the bad guys to win, but of course they were stupid. They didn't need Cat alive to draw out Supergirl and Flash. Livewire could just have electrocuted her right then and there in the park and the breaking news story "Cat Grant Killed" would have done it. And Cat would be dead, and many would be happy.
I also liked the music cues, and the "Fastball Special" solution...which they stole from MARVEL! (Make Mine Marvel!)
Overall, yes it was better than BvS, but that doesn't take much.
I've grown so accustomed to seeing Chyler Leigh and David Harewood that I actually missed their presence last night. Does anyone know when they'll come back?
Its been confirmed they will be back already in the next new episode.
Maybe I posted this here before or other places. Either way I will say it again. It really bugs me that when the next week there is no new episode, CBS does not end with any information about when the show will return. The CW almost always ends with some kind of preview of what is to come on Arrow, The Flash, Legends. With a return date for when new episodes will start again.
Is it any surprise that there are huge drops in ratings when many in the audience do not know when the show is going to return?
Maybe I posted this here before or other places. Either way I will say it again. It really bugs me that when the next week there is no new episode, CBS does not end with any information about when the show will return. The CW almost always ends with some kind of preview of what is to come on Arrow, The Flash, Legends. With a return date for when new episodes will start again.
Is it any surprise that there are huge drops in ratings when many in the audience do not know when the show is going to return?
I agree that the emotion leading to the kiss should not be altered or erased by Myriad. I just suspect that the show will use Myriad in some way to delay Kara and Olsen officially starting their relationship.
Well, maybe the difference is that Winn knew Kara was an alien from the start whereas he did not know about Siobhan's powers until after he started a physical relationship with her. I could definitely see how he might feel weird about it since at the time when he was having sex with her he thought she was something different than what she really was.
J'onn's absence could be used awesomely in the finale to duplicate in live-action his triumphant return in Justice League Unlimited (where, for those who haven't seen it...)
Replace the above army with the Rozz escapees and you're good to go.
J'onn had left the League to better understand humanity.
Several eps later, and Darkseid's army is attacking Earth. At the Great Wall of China, Wonder Woman and a few others are holding them off. An elderly Chinese man kisses his wife and tells her he has to go help, asking her to look after the kids. He strides forth, and Wonder Woman tells him to flee as it's not safe. He reiterates that he's here to help, then punches out a trio of Darkseid's troopers, shapeshifts into a Chinese dragon and takes out half a dozen more, then finally transforms into a hovering J'onn in his usual Martian form. Cue big hug from Wonder Woman and a "let's catch up once we finish this" line.
Several eps later, and Darkseid's army is attacking Earth. At the Great Wall of China, Wonder Woman and a few others are holding them off. An elderly Chinese man kisses his wife and tells her he has to go help, asking her to look after the kids. He strides forth, and Wonder Woman tells him to flee as it's not safe. He reiterates that he's here to help, then punches out a trio of Darkseid's troopers, shapeshifts into a Chinese dragon and takes out half a dozen more, then finally transforms into a hovering J'onn in his usual Martian form. Cue big hug from Wonder Woman and a "let's catch up once we finish this" line.
Replace the above army with the Rozz escapees and you're good to go.
I really liked last night's episode. My only gripe is that Flash really didn't have much to do but it was great when he was on screen with Kara. I agree that Gustin has great chemistry with Benoist.
I hope they find a way to merge the universes so that we can have all of these heroes together for a miniseries or a TV movie sometime in the future.
I hope they find a way to merge the universes so that we can have all of these heroes together for a miniseries or a TV movie sometime in the future.
I smiled throughout it, but it really was incredibly corny and out of tune with the rest of the series.
For example, if another character with powers shows up out of nowhere, neither show automatically has the "gang" warm up to them immediately unless the audience already knows who they are and that they're the good guys. If this was an ordinary show, they'd be looking at Barry suspiciously, believing him to be a villain just waiting to happen with the story setting up a situation for him to do something that was either bad or misconstrued to be bad. Then conflict as the two battle it out.
But nope, lovely dovey friends a minute or so after meeting, with Barry's story being believed 100% right out of the gate. Kara even stripped and revealed her identity and powers to him even before he actually explained much of anything.
But, whatever. As I said, I had a smile on my face throughout and enjoyed the episode.
Just drives me a little crazy when they do that sort of thing, especially since it emphasizes how ridiculous it is when they do the opposite, too.
For example, if another character with powers shows up out of nowhere, neither show automatically has the "gang" warm up to them immediately unless the audience already knows who they are and that they're the good guys. If this was an ordinary show, they'd be looking at Barry suspiciously, believing him to be a villain just waiting to happen with the story setting up a situation for him to do something that was either bad or misconstrued to be bad. Then conflict as the two battle it out.
But nope, lovely dovey friends a minute or so after meeting, with Barry's story being believed 100% right out of the gate. Kara even stripped and revealed her identity and powers to him even before he actually explained much of anything.
But, whatever. As I said, I had a smile on my face throughout and enjoyed the episode.
Just drives me a little crazy when they do that sort of thing, especially since it emphasizes how ridiculous it is when they do the opposite, too.
I enjoyed that everyone had fun with all of the crossover shenanigans (and it was cool to learn that this Earth has its own Central City...how foreign would it seem to Barry without those familiar faces?), but it was frustratingly easy to tell there was once a scripted version of this episode without Barry in it.