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! That would have been interesting!
In fact, the could have made the whole thing in reverse and had Duras blamed for it. Which would certainly have given them strong motivation for their rebellion later and for hating Worf.
"I am NOT a merry man!"
I noticed the other day that all the TNG season finales technically have no first part, in the name title I mean. It's "The Best of Both Worlds" but there's no Part I in the title, but there is a "The Best of Both World, Part II." And today I checked Enterprise and Voyager and it's only "Basics" that has a Part I and Part II.
Also was thinking today about if TNG did a "Wizard of Oz" homage, I guess Data could be Tinman, you could have some fun in having Worf as Cowardly Lion, but who would the other players be.
Also was thinking today about if TNG did a "Wizard of Oz" homage, I guess Data could be Tinman, you could have some fun in having Worf as Cowardly Lion, but who would the other players be.
TNG's "Unification" also had both parts containing "I" or "II" in their titles, but those were produced and aired in the middle of thecseason. (Well, early in season 5, but it wasn't a season finale or premiere.)
"BASICS" was also produced in the middle of season 2 (in this case, late in the season)... "SACRED GROUND", "FALSE PROFITS", "FLASHBACK", and "BASICS, PART II" were produced (in that order) after "BASICS, PART I". It was UPN that aired the first part as the season finale and the second part as the season 3 premiere.
"THE MAQUIS" and "PAST TENSE" two-parters both had "I" and "II" in their titles and were also produced in the middle of their seasons.
It looks like the producers wanted cliffhanging to be a surprise when it's a season finale, but for the middle of the season, they wanted the audience to be sure they come back for the second part, so they let us know by way of the title that 'this is a two week story, stick around for the second half'.
Ah, that explains "Basics" being the outlier then. I don't think it would change much for the show if it both parts aired in season 2 but I feel it did start them mostly doing two parters for their season finale/openers, so maybe that could have changed. It's made me have a rethink to how "The Best of Both Worlds" would have appeared to the TV audience watching it since for all they knew it was just a normal episode ending the season.
UPN did this with season 1 of VGR, too... "PROJECTIONS", "ELOGIUM", "TWISTED", and "THE 37's" were produced in season 1, but held over for season 2. UPN wanted to start their fall season a month before the Big Four (CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX) did.
I think "THE 37's" in particular suffered because it not only feels like a season finale, but the cargo bay scene onward would have had more of an impact.
And if those were aired as produced, I think their first season overall might be looked at a bit more favorably, particularly when you add in "PROJECTIONS".
Same with the second season... clearly, "BASICS, PART II" leaves a lot behind, and has a sense of wanting to go into new territory. (And since Michael Piller's last script was that episode and he stepped down as Executive Producer and head writer, it further cements this. I remember him saying in an interview once that the "BASICS" title was as much for the writing staff as it was for what the crew were going through... a reminder to them to stick to the basics of 'what does this mean for a character' in their episodes. It was a lesson he imparted on many of the writers during his tenure in the franchise, and Piller's value to all the shows was immeasurable.)
The season that truly suffered from this was season 3... we end up with 4 less produced episodes than we otherwise would have gottten. (Which is why VGR has 172 and DS9 has 176.) Although given how lackluster the season was overall, particularly the middle, this might have been a blessing so the writers can have more time between seasons 3 and 4 to retool and adjust.
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So the Enterprise starships have commemorations to Enterprise naval ships, and I wonder if starship Voyager has commemorations to Voyager naval ships, particularly the two HMAS Voyager ships. (And V'Ger)
From "All Good Things..." how did, do you interpret the idea that a marriage between Picard and Crusher happened but didn't work out? Do you think the writers were really declaring that it wouldn't work out or just having both-ways fun with the idea, that it didn't work out in that future for some reason but (especially due to Picard seeing that possibility) it might have worked out in another?
I honestly wonder if it was invented purely for the joke of seeing them kiss in the present and wondering what-if, and then cutting to the future and it's already fallen apart.
I suspect he'd have killed himself... or just taken the death sentence. At the very least he'd never have gone back to his home world again.
I'd be more interested to know what he would've done if Mogh had been on that planet with the others in Birthright II. That's nearly as dishonorable. He let them be, as it happened, but I doubt he'd be as cool with it were his father there.
Well, you may be right. He does try on openmindedness from time to time, but I'm not so sure finding him was his only motive. For most of the time he was mainly intent on proving it was a lie, so he could kill that shady Yrridian lol. Plus, when he gets there, he's not all that accepting of it once he realized they were a Klingon/Romulan commune. Dude's got him a hard grudge against Romulans for this very reason, the murder of his family. He certainly causes a fair amount of havoc for them as it was. His dad being there could've made things just as possibly worse as better.
It would be an interesting twist though, that after all the time of his grudge, to find out they hadn't been murdered by Romulans at all, and the Romulan propensity for duplicity had itself been the reason they were still alive, because they'd chosen to hide them from their govt. instead of kill them. Oh the irony, Mr. "You can't trust a Romulan"
What if they did just blow up the Borg cube in the opening moments of "The Best of Both Worlds II"? Narratively, what do you do for the rest of the episode? Some other random adventure, or a second cube shows up? That's kind of why I'm not completely a fan of the cliffhanger.
You know, when Lwaxana seems to be deliberately misrepresenting others' thoughts, particularly men like Picard, to imply more salacious things than what is true, on the surface, it comes off as though she's sadly trying to overinflate her own beauty & desirability, by casting them as having lewd thoughts about her.
However, another rather obvious purpose for it is to embarrass them as a social advantage... Put them off their bearings so to speak, by making them appear inappropriate to others around them. Cut them down to size a bit.
But even MORE devious than that, the best reason for her to do it is because it's probably pretty hard to get people comfortable around you if they think you're intruding on their private thoughts. So what better way to get them to relax about it, than to portray yourself as a poor telepath who gets things largely wrong?
It's easy to see her as crass or obvious & maybe even a little pathetic when she does that, but the layers of it are actually pretty brilliant.
However, another rather obvious purpose for it is to embarrass them as a social advantage... Put them off their bearings so to speak, by making them appear inappropriate to others around them. Cut them down to size a bit.
But even MORE devious than that, the best reason for her to do it is because it's probably pretty hard to get people comfortable around you if they think you're intruding on their private thoughts. So what better way to get them to relax about it, than to portray yourself as a poor telepath who gets things largely wrong?
It's easy to see her as crass or obvious & maybe even a little pathetic when she does that, but the layers of it are actually pretty brilliant.
I never understood the hate the character collected. For me, she was embarrassingly obvious and awkward - and I loved it.
It was a kick in the teeth that Jean-Luc Crusher/Captain Beverly Picard wasn’t the state of the game in PIC.
I'll admit, when it aired, I didn't care for her. It was just too rude for me then. If Riker's dad had acted like that, it wouldn't have worked, but I was a teenager, & never really put together those layered nuances I mentioned above.
Even now, that inclination to dislike her or her episodes is still with me, but at least I get it now. In fact, her arc is one of the more interesting. There's a lot of subtext to figure in.
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