Stuff that make you wonder but not own thread worthy

[Farscape One]

Particularly after "Dark Page", when we learn she lost her first daughter. It explained so much about her character...her overexuberance, the overbearingness with Deanna. It was her coping mechanism... or at least, can be viewed as such.

Given Neelix's history, with his entire family killed, I have always felt those two characters are spiritual siblings.

Both definitely are better characters than many have given them credit for.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Is there a reason that Song made B4/Data/Lore with golden skin and yellow eyes?

 

[Markonian]

Is there a reason that Song made B4/Data/Lore with golden skin and yellow eyes?

Do avoid uncanny valley by not making the too Human?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Do avoid uncanny valley by not making the too Human?

I thought it could be something like that. Clearly in TOS times, androids can be made that have a fully human appearance... so the golden skin/yellow eyes are a 'this is a synthetic life-form' sign.

 

[tomalak301]

I wonder how the Poker scenes were shot. I guess the writers had to stack the decks, but that actually takes quite a bit of work to get things exactly right. They are such simple scenes, but I bet it took a lot just to film them to get the cards right.

 

[suarezguy]

I like "Rascals" as is a lot but it could have been interesting if Worf had been one of the characters who de-aged, both in itself and to excuse more that the Ferengi were able to take over the ship.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Clearly in TOS times, androids can be made that have a fully human appearance... so the golden skin/yellow eyes are a 'this is a synthetic life-form' sign.

From a sociological standpoint, maybe if you asked an android, they'd prefer to have a unique appearance to that of people.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

From a sociological standpoint, maybe if you asked an android, they'd prefer to have a unique appearance to that of people.

Would Data have preferred that though?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Not given what we've seen. Maybe if he had been surrounded by android people like him in TNG, perhaps.

 

[Mojochi]

Would Data have preferred that though?

By the time he's creating Lal, with a doubt he could himself opt to replace his own skin pretty easily, & what we'd learn is that Soong himself, shortly after Data, would be doing so with Julianna.

It's imho a deliberate choice by Soong to give them that look, likely to have them stand out among the Omicron Theta population. It's even possible Lore's account that the colonists had some issues with them wasn't entirely false, when he claimed Data was made to be less human than him etc...

Data's also pretty respectful of his creator, & I figure since he'd been made that way, he'd consider it the reverent thing to stay so, whatever the original motive was.

 

[Farscape One]

Considering Soong made Data, Lore, and B4 to look like him when he was younger, maybe he actually preferred the pale skin and yellow eyes because he didn't want to fully see himself at that age... a reminder of his own mortality.

 

[Mojochi]

Considering Soong made Data, Lore, and B4 to look like him when he was younger, maybe he actually preferred the pale skin and yellow eyes because he didn't want to fully see himself at that age... a reminder of his own mortality.

Here's what I find interesting though. By the time we see Soong in Brothers, Data has been in Starfleet service for 22 years, as he states in Redemption, & I don't even think that included academy years. Then Julianna refers to a childlike period before they fled Omicron Theta. So it's been somewhere like at least 25-30 years just since Data was made. Then there was the Lore period before that, & other prototypes like B4, even before him, who all looked like a young Soong. That means Soong probably started with his 1st some 40-50 or maybe more years earlier. So, my take is that he didn't make them to look like his younger self. He, himself WAS younger when he began making them, & just used himself as a mold.

So it's also entirely possible he just didn't want exact clones of himself wandering around, causing confusion, hence different pigmentation..

 

[Farscape One]

Here's what I find interesting though. By the time we see Soong in Brothers, Data has been in Starfleet service for 22 years, as he states in Redemption, & I don't even think that included academy years. Then Julianna refers to a childlike period before they fled Omicron Theta. So it's been somewhere like at least 25-30 years just since Data was made. Then there was the Lore period before that, & other prototypes like B4, even before him, who all looked like a young Soong. That means Soong probably started with his 1st some 40-50 or maybe more years earlier. So, my take is that he didn't make them to look like his younger self. He, himself WAS younger when he began making them, & just used himself as a mold.

So it's also entirely possible he just didn't want exact clones of himself wandering around, causing confusion, hence different pigmentation..

That's a good point about the years difference. It's such an obvious thing, but it completely slipped my mind.

I feel ashamed...

 

[Mojochi]

^ To look at Soong in Brothers, he looks Yoda old. It's pretty easy to think that dude is 900 I wouldn't feel too bad about it

 

[Farscape One]

^ To look at Soong in Brothers, he looks Yoda old. It's pretty easy to think that dude is 900 I wouldn't feel too bad about it

You're not wrong about that.

That makes me feel better. Thanks.

 

[at Quark's]

But even MORE devious than that, the best reason for her to do it is because it's probably pretty hard to get people comfortable around you if they think you're intruding on their private thoughts. So what better way to get them to relax about it, than to portray yourself as a poor telepath who gets things largely wrong?

It's easy to see her as crass or obvious & maybe even a little pathetic when she does that, but the layers of it are actually pretty brilliant.

She's a diplomat, she's high aristocracy on Betazed, probably with all kinds of connections on her own planet and to other high circles in the Federation, and she can read your thoughts. She's probably pretty smart to adopt a 'silly' mask, if she didn't people would freeze desparately trying to control their thoughts whenever she entered the room.

 

[trekshark]

^ To look at Soong in Brothers, he looks Yoda old. It's pretty easy to think that dude is 900 I wouldn't feel too bad about it

I wonder if he was something like 200+ in Brothers
Afterall, it's been retconned that he comes from a line of eugenicists that look exactly like him. Maybe the soong from Enterprise manipulated his own genome enough to allow a very long lifespan compared to normal humans

 

[Mojochi]

I wonder if he was something like 200+ in Brothers
Afterall, it's been retconned that he comes from a line of eugenicists that look exactly like him. Maybe the soong from Enterprise manipulated his own genome enough to allow a very long lifespan compared to normal humans

I'd put him roundabout 100 in Brothers. He's looking pretty young during Data's creation, as shown in the vision he unlocked in his dream program, maybe 30s-40s. It's 2338 when Lore lures the Crystaline Entity to Omicron Theta to attack it, & fatally injure Julianna. In the video file they found inside her android, Noonien is looking somewhat older, like maybe in his 60s-70s. So figure Brothers, set in 2364, is 28 years after that.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

if she didn't people would freeze desparately trying to control their thoughts whenever she entered the room.

You're still caught between, "I know she's lying and I know she knows what I'm really thinking" and "Oh, no, I hope nobody believes her when she says I'm thinking that". Both potentially embarrassing.

 

[Mojochi]

You're still caught between, "I know she's lying and I know she knows what I'm really thinking" and "Oh, no, I hope nobody believes her when she says I'm thinking that". Both potentially embarrassing.

Which kind of goes back to my point of her using misrepresentation as a means of social leverage. Picard is kind of a lofty fellow. Undermining his image is shooting fish in a barrel, & his first easy soft spot to mark. Q does it all the time