Strange New Worlds Season 2 Trailer
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We all have eyes, too. Some of our eyes are connected to brains that can understand that Trek made in 2023 isn't going to look like Trek made in the 1960s and is capable of evolving to include various ways of telling the Trek story.
Loving is fun. Loving is funny. Loving is joking around. Loving is seeing the silly.
The influence of those movies is very evident in streaming trek.
Here's another example of personal reinterpretation:
The song "Golden Brown" by the Stranglers is, on its face, a song about a man's sexual relationship with a woman. It is also metaphorically about his previous use of heroin. Textually, the song is comparing heroin use to an unhealthy sexual relationship, and is about the sadness both cause the narrator.
But the first time I heard the song, I couldn't pick up on all the lyrics and wasn't able to analyze the metaphor. What I did pick up on was the profound melancholy and the references to having been happy with someone. I heard it at a time when I was mourning the death of my grandmother. Because of that, to me, "Golden Brown" will always be a song about grief and loss, and about missing my grandmother.
That personal reinterpretation is in flagrant contradiction to the plain meaning of the text. It literally required me not hearing the lyrics referring to the narrator's lover as a "temptress," because I sure as hell wouldn't have associated the song with my grandmother if I had heard those lyrics initially. But I didn't, so "Golden Brown" means something very different to me than it was ever intended.
But I would never argue that "Golden Brown" is about the death of my grandmother, or even that it's about grief and loss per se. That's my subjective reinterpretation. Textually, it's about a toxic relationship as a metaphor for heroin use.
Absolutely! The affection Lower Decks has for Star Trek is clear if you watch it with an open mind. Lower Decks never mocks Star Trek -- it affectionately ribs it for its sillier tropes, but the respect and love Lower Decks has for Star Trek is clear. In particular, you should note that the earnest feelings of enthusiasm for service with Starfleet that Tendi and Boimler have are never mocked or disrespected, and that a key character arc has been Mariner's personal growth manifesting as becoming a better officer.
The song "Golden Brown" by the Stranglers is, on its face, a song about a man's sexual relationship with a woman. It is also metaphorically about his previous use of heroin. Textually, the song is comparing heroin use to an unhealthy sexual relationship, and is about the sadness both cause the narrator.
But the first time I heard the song, I couldn't pick up on all the lyrics and wasn't able to analyze the metaphor. What I did pick up on was the profound melancholy and the references to having been happy with someone. I heard it at a time when I was mourning the death of my grandmother. Because of that, to me, "Golden Brown" will always be a song about grief and loss, and about missing my grandmother.
That personal reinterpretation is in flagrant contradiction to the plain meaning of the text. It literally required me not hearing the lyrics referring to the narrator's lover as a "temptress," because I sure as hell wouldn't have associated the song with my grandmother if I had heard those lyrics initially. But I didn't, so "Golden Brown" means something very different to me than it was ever intended.
But I would never argue that "Golden Brown" is about the death of my grandmother, or even that it's about grief and loss per se. That's my subjective reinterpretation. Textually, it's about a toxic relationship as a metaphor for heroin use.
Absolutely! The affection Lower Decks has for Star Trek is clear if you watch it with an open mind. Lower Decks never mocks Star Trek -- it affectionately ribs it for its sillier tropes, but the respect and love Lower Decks has for Star Trek is clear. In particular, you should note that the earnest feelings of enthusiasm for service with Starfleet that Tendi and Boimler have are never mocked or disrespected, and that a key character arc has been Mariner's personal growth manifesting as becoming a better officer.
But a show made in 2023 MIGHT look exactly like 1987.
Some of the characters on Lower Decks are bigger Star Trek fans than the people on this board.
Entertainment is always evolving and feeding off each other's ideas. That's how art works. That's how creation works
Indeed, the original Star Trek was clearly influenced by a number of earlier works of art, including the film Forbidden Planet, the Horatio Hornblower novels, 19th Century British colonialist adventure stories, film and television Westerns, Shakespeare, and early police procedurals like Dragnet.
That’s the thing. They act like they know they are in a trek show. It’s a meta parody. It would make more sense if the show was a holo program that cadets could watch rather than events “actually” taking place in the trek universe.
Or paramount just decided to copy the MCU. Kurtzman tried his Dark Universe (which failed) so he tried to make a Star Trek Universe. Just keep pumping out content so people will stay subscribed.
I like comedy in Trek. When it’s laughing with the characters instead of mocking the Star Trek brand.
What does that say about those of us who see it as part of the broader swath of Trek? We don't have eyes, a brain or memory?
I think those people lack discernment.What does that say about those of us who see it as part of the broader swath of Trek? We don't have eyes, a brain or memory?
When it actually does that, I might take offense.
Open your eyes then.
Nah. People just like different things.
To discern what exactly? STAR TREK, as a brand, is designed as a multi-modal story telling sandbox. It's not just one flavor. So, saying "This is insulting to Trek" or "this isn't Trek" is missing the point and, in my opinion, lacks awareness of what Trek was set up to do.
Diversity? No, can't have that. Unless we follow orders, and repeat the past, and do things exactly the same way we can never enjoy Trek properly.
That goes without saying. But some can’t tell things apart.
The only people who need to care about protecting brands are ranchers.
That reminds me; need to pick up my branding iron from the shop.
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