From 1966-2005 is one kind of trek. 2009 to now is another kind of trek for the marvel crowd. Everyone can have their opinion.
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How would that even work? No one's saying you have to like Lower Decks or Strange New World and no one's saying you're not part of the Star Trek fandom for not liking them.
"Convenient?" It's the objective definition of the term. "Gatekeeping" in this context means to exclude. You were "gatekeeping" Star Trek because you were trying to exclude Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Strange New Worlds from the Prime Universe. If someone else says, "No, they're all the same universe because that is the clear text," then that's by definition not gatekeeping because it's not excluding anything.
And so does Lower Decks.
Citation needed.
The influence of all previous Star Trek is very evident in current Star Trek.
Anyone who pays attention can see this.
My eyes are open, and I see perfectly well.
Please remember that you do not, in fact, know more, have more respect for Trek, love Trek more, or possess any keener perception about these things than most of the folks here who you are addressing.
Certainly, everyone can. Your opinion as expressed in your posts here, however, is not particularly observant.
It's okay now, thanks for your, uh, input.
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They shared the same universe because the people making the shows said they did.
The people making these new shows say they all share the same universe with what has come before. They've also explicitly stated when the content doesn't take place in the same universe (the Kelvin universe) so it's really easy to know when it does.
This reminds me of a sim racing league I'm a part of. A guy thought he won a race and while he did cross the finish line first, he had broken a rule in the process so his win was stripped. He claimed he didn't care what the race admins decided, he still considered himself the winner. Except he wasn't, and his opinions meant nothing when it came to the official scorebook. The same thing applies here. One fan's opinion doesn't change reality when it's the showrunners who make the call.
And what of those of us who like a mix?
Marvel sucks balls. I'd rather not have that label on the Trek.
Like TOS, DS9, DSC, some TOS films, Kelvin Films, Prodigy, SNW and Lower Decks.
What does that make me?
Indeed. In fact, you can not like Trek. That's OK TOO!
Nor does it change how we interact with the franchise. It's OK to not like things.
Those of us who consider 1966-2005 to be Star Trek and everything after 2009 to be rebooted Trek are excluded. It’s easy for people to follow the party line. But those of us who don’t agree with paramount are insulted and banned online.
How would that even work? No one's saying you have to like Lower Decks or Strange New World and no one's saying you're not part of the Star Trek fandom for not liking them.
"Convenient?" It's the objective definition of the term. "Gatekeeping" in this context means to exclude. You were "gatekeeping" Star Trek because you were trying to exclude Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Strange New Worlds from the Prime Universe. If someone else says, "No, they're all the same universe because that is the clear text," then that's by definition not gatekeeping because it's not excluding anything.
And so does Lower Decks.
Citation needed.
"Those of us who want to exclude are excluded!"
No, you're not excluded. You're still part of the ST fandom. You're just objectively wrong about the content of the text.
Recognizing what the clear text of a work of art says is not "following the party line." For God's sake, it's a TV show, not a political system.
No one has insulted or banned you. You, on the other hand, insulted everyone else when you claimed we "lack discernment" and implied we don't have common sense if we don't consider Kurtzman's shows to be a different continuity.
Guys I know we’re supposed to be tolerant and whatnot but this person keeps going and it’s starting to feel a little troll-y
And yet, here you are running around all unbanned and everything.
There's no such thing as a "party line" other than, perhaps, in public statements by the people who work for Paramount. To assert that any such thing exists among all of us so-disorganized and argumentative fans is to indulge in, uh, fabrication.
People who hold opinions similar to yours are not treated badly. You are simply disagreed with, most vociferously by people who dislike being talked down to in the way that your posts in this topic have exhibited.
If having to read opinions that are unequivocally different from yours were some form of oppression or intimidation, you'd have a point. It's not, and you don't.
And, honestly, it's pretty ridiculous to assert that "1966-2005 is Star Trek and everything after 2009 is rebooted Trek" and expect reasonable people to respond to that as if it's sensible. Because it's nothing but an arbitrary and dismissive declaration, in addition to being factually wrong.
And that's your opinion. However, in the factual sense, from 1966 until now and this point on, anything released by Paramount or the legitimate trademark holders that says "Star Trek" is "Star Trek".
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As a huge fan of both Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds, I cannot wait for that episode. The whole season looks like a blast, though!
Have you been insulted? Banned here? Who is insulting you because I'll report it for you if needed.
But, this isn't a black or white issue, no one has to enjoy just one thing.
I mean, I guess.
I don't know man. I was told I wasn't a "real fan" since 6th grade for liking TOS over TNG so what do I know?
Terry is against bashing any Trek, including Discovery and SNW.
Yes, and those who "have the power" didn't just seize it by force of arms from helpless aggrieved TV watchers who take the entertainment that they consume and think they own too seriously.
There also seems to be something of a persecution complex on the part of certain fans as expressed ad nauseum in dead horse-beating, cherry-picking comments that all but ignore the perfectly reasoned and reasonable points made in plenty of responses in thread after thread.
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