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exactly

and thats why i said strange new worlds will most likely return in 2028
You're not making any sense at all. SNW S4 aired in 2026. How does not having two seasons of the same show air in the same calendar year mean S5 won't air until 2028? Why can't it air in 2027? SFA is a different show, so therefore its S2 airing in 2027 is completely immaterial to this matter.
 
It makes kind of sense if they might even want to stretch them out. By the time they end people might have more details about the movie to start talking about keeping Trek talk going.
 
It makes kind of sense if they might even want to stretch them out. By the time they end people might have more details about the movie to start talking about keeping Trek talk going.
If they wanted to 'stretch out' they'd have done the full 10 episodes of SNW for S5.

They have a Paradigm,. and they'll stick with it.

SFA early in 2027
and few weeks break
SNW S5 in 2027

Neither are popular enough at this pointg to generate Buzz beyond the existing fandom for each and if they 'stretch out' they risk loosing more subs/paid viewership.

Streaming Trek is dome and they'll follow their established cadance, release the Blu-Ray/DVDs and move on - and leverage the existing 900+ episode STAR TREK streaming library in other ways to make a profit from it.

MAYBE they'll try another Star Trek based feature film; but I have a feeling they'll try to do more with the DC Comics properties and let Star Trek sit for a bit in both TV and Film.
 
Besides, the season is filmed and post production work will almost certainly be done by the time 2027 rolls around. They have no reason to sit on a completed season for a whole year or even two.
 
MAYBE they'll try another Star Trek based feature film; but I have a feeling they'll try to do more with the DC Comics properties and let Star Trek sit for a bit in both TV and Film.

Skydance is sitting on a new mountain of debt with the WB merger. They can't really just let a popular franchise lie fallow for 5-10 years in hopes that it will get fresh again. They're going to have to keep up a content pipeline in hopes they make something profitable.
 
Skydance is sitting on a new mountain of debt with the WB merger. They can't really just let a popular franchise lie fallow for 5-10 years in hopes that it will get fresh again. They're going to have to keep up a content pipeline in hopes they make something profitable.
Yes they can. They now have PLENTY of other LARGER and more popular IPs to work with.

And they can still makes money in many ways using just the existing Library of Star Trek episodes and merchandising.
 
Yes they can. They now have PLENTY of other LARGER and more popular IPs to work with.

And they can still makes money in many ways using just the existing Library of Star Trek episodes and merchandising.
Indeed. Producing Trek might be too expensive a proposition so just farming it out might be more beneficial.
 
Skydance is sitting on a new mountain of debt with the WB merger. They can't really just let a popular franchise lie fallow for 5-10 years in hopes that it will get fresh again. They're going to have to keep up a content pipeline in hopes they make something profitable.

DC is a popular franchise.
Harry Potter is a popular franchise.
Transformers is a popular franchise.

Star Trek is a niche franchise.
 
DC is a popular franchise.
Harry Potter is a popular franchise.
Transformers is a popular franchise.

Star Trek is a niche franchise.

37% of Americans self-identify as Star Trek fans. That's not a niche franchise - this is bigger than the self-identified fandoms of all of the "popular franchises" you noted.

Now, most people who self-identify as Trek fans are not die-hards like us. They didn't care enough to subscribe to Paramount+, and haven't kept up with the new series. Probably some of them only really like Trek in the sort of "meme" sense, and know very little about the franchise. But that's a huge potential audience which the modern era of Trek hasn't properly unlocked.

Edit: Judging from what the same study found out, 29% of the U.S. public subscribes to Paramount Plus, and 25% of P+ subscribers say Trek is important to them, suggesting that about 7% of the general public subscribes to Paramount+ for Star Trek (might not be the new series, admittedly, could be access to the older ones). So there's still another 30% or so of the public potentially up for grabs.
 
DC is a popular franchise.
Harry Potter is a popular franchise.
Transformers is a popular franchise.

Star Trek is a niche franchise.
Honest question time: reading online comments (here and elsewhere) one gets the impression that Star Trek is not performing well. Numbers are low, ratings are mixed, etc.

Yet, there's this insistence that Skydance needs Star Trek to make money, when all indications are that Star Trek is an expensive production to make, with diminishing returns.

So, I'm confused; Star Trek is a current lackluster performer and makes Skydance money? :vulcan:
 
MAYBE they'll try another Star Trek based feature film; but I have a feeling they'll try to do more with the DC Comics properties and let Star Trek sit for a bit in both TV and Film.
Star Trek comics sell terribly, they're a niche within a niche that most Star Trek fans don't care about because they're pretty much the least canon thing Star Trek produces.

And current Star Trek comics are the exact opposite of things that attract new readers because they're in a "horrible art" phase due to Dennis Menheere's inability to draw clear backgrounds and human looking people.


Yes they can. They now have PLENTY of other LARGER and more popular IPs to work with.

And they can still makes money in many ways using just the existing Library of Star Trek episodes and merchandising.
They have a couple larger IP's in the form of Harry Potter and DC comics, but Star Trek is the largest Sci-Fi IP they own by a significant margin.
 
37% of Americans self-identify as Star Trek fans. That's not a niche franchise - this is bigger than the self-identified fandoms of all of the "popular franchises" you noted.

Now, most people who self-identify as Trek fans are not die-hards like us. They didn't care enough to subscribe to Paramount+, and haven't kept up with the new series. Probably some of them only really like Trek in the sort of "meme" sense, and know very little about the franchise. But that's a huge potential audience which the modern era of Trek hasn't properly unlocked.

Edit: Judging from what the same study found out, 29% of the U.S. public subscribes to Paramount Plus, and 25% of P+ subscribers say Trek is important to them, suggesting that about 7% of the general public subscribes to Paramount+ for Star Trek (might not be the new series, admittedly, could be access to the older ones). So there's still another 30% or so of the public potentially up for grabs.

The data breaks down significantly more than that and it’s stating that the majority of those fans are Boomers or Gen X. Typically, advertisers (who help pay for this content) go after adults ages 18-34. (However, that is being expanded more to 18-54.)

Also being self-defined doesn’t suggest what audiences pay for. The franchises I’ve named are far more lucrative than Star Trek. Harry Potter has brought in $35.1 billion, Batman itself $29.9 billion, Transformers $25 billion.

Star Trek, on the other hand is less than half of the lowest of those franchises, only bringing in $11.2 billion. Comparatively, that’s fairly niche. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises)

So there might be more fans (although I’ll wait for an actual source to say that’s true), but the other franchises have brought in more money.

Honest question time: reading online comments (here and elsewhere) one gets the impression that Star Trek is not performing well. Numbers are low, ratings are mixed, etc.

Yet, there's this insistence that Skydance needs Star Trek to make money, when all indications are that Star Trek is an expensive production to make, with diminishing returns.

So, I'm confused; Star Trek is a current lackluster performer and makes Skydance money? :vulcan:

Outside of the $11.2 billion the franchise has made since 1966, I obviously can’t speak to exact numbers of the current status of what money it brings in. I would think (of course, pure speculation on my part), that it was “good enough” until Skydance took over. Could that be fewer viewers or higher corporate expectations? Or even some combination of the two? Your guess is as good as mine.
 
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