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That's...a take.
We haven’t even had a trailer and already the discourse surrounding this show is insufferable.
No, ‘insufferable’ is reading Facebook post responses. In comparison, members of the TrekBBS are downright civilized.
In what way does it violate continuity? In TOS S1 Space Seed they pretty quickly discovered that Khan is in fact,, Khan Noonien Singh. It's not like all Khan's descendants carry a picture/bio of him. The only thing known about Khan at the time of Strange New Worlds, is that he was among the group of tyrants whose fates were never accounted for.
For all we know once Kirk related to Spock that the person they found said his name was Khan; Spock put two and two together and was the one who found the picture that they showed in the briefing room scene of the episode.
In TOS S1 Space Seed, Spock never directly spoke to Conn until the dinner scene. His only other previous comment was that he couldn't understand his crew mates reaction/near admiration of Khan.
Because if a descendant of Khan was serving on the ship and interacting with such people as Spock and Uhura, don’t you think that they would have known about Khan before they ever found the Botany Bay, and not the least of which, what he looked like? I’m pretty sure that if I had never heard of Hitler or what he looked like, and then worked with one of his descendants, I’d learn pretty damn fast about the man.
The issue with Pike and Kirk together isn't the line "I met him when he was promoted to Fleet Captain". Everyone meets their friends for the first time at some point. This issue is Mendez asking the question in the first place. That implies that the two men serving together isn't in their service records, which we assume Mendez had read. If there is a plausible excuse as to why Mendez doesn't know where Kirk and Pike have served previously, then we are all clear in canon to have them serve together. Apparently, assuming command of a ship directly after another person doesn't assure that you met them. Of course if Una/Number One commanded the Enterprise in between them, then Mendez's question makes perfect sense.
It sounds like a lot of people here are more interested in a Kirk Series than a Pike Series. So much for "We want a Pike Series!" More like "We want a Pike Series because it'll get us a Kirk Series!"
TOS -- starring Kirk -- had a TV series in the '60s, a film series in the '80s, and it's already had a reboot in the 21st Century as a trilogy of films. Maybe it'll end up being more than just a trilogy, depending on what the 2023 film is. Oh yeah, and a Saturday morning cartoon at one point.
Give Pike some time to shine. I'll be honest: I left episodic TV behind in general a long time ago, and I put Star Trek's 23rd Century behind me when Discovery did... but I'm still willing to give Strange New Worlds a chance because I still like the basic idea. If I didn't, I wouldn't have become a Star Trek fan in the first place. So I'm willing to see what this show has to offer even though it doesn't line up with what I'm into these days. But some other people here, guaranteed, if it doesn't line up 100% with what they want or what they're expecting, they'll turn on this series just as fast as they turned on the other series from the Kurtzman Era. They think "somehow this will be different!" but it won't. And they're in for a rude awakening.
Records are fragmentary, Captain. They might not know their ancestors.
Why would a descendent (250+ years after the fact) have any more info about her ancestor's ultimate fate? What? You think it was some sort of family secret passed down over the generations? And they DID have a record of what Khan looked like - it was shown in the Briefing room scene. What? Someone should have immediately recognized the guy in the cryo-chamber was Khan Noonian Singh? Why? Do you think all his descendants carry a picture of him in a locket or something or that Spock would somehow commit to instant recall memory everything a crewmember mentioned about their lineage (if they mentioned anything.) Khan was one of 50 unaccounted for despots from a conflict 250 years past - and no, in the episode itself, if DIDN'T take them long to realize exactly who he was at all.
Plus, Spock is known for NOT volunteering information:
From TOS S2 - Journey To Babel:
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And chronologically, the above happened AFTER both Kirk and McCoy attended Spock's Ponn Far ceremony.
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There's zero evidence that Kirk will appear in the show. And if he does appear, that it'll be more than a glorified cameo or guest appearance. People are just inventing up ways for SNW to "violate canon" before it even has a chance to.
We also have no idea if La'an Noonien-Singh will ever bring up her famous ancestor in polite company or if she won't die fifteen minutes into the third episode without having muttered a word to Cadet Uhura or a nod to Lt. Spock.
We also have no idea if La'an Noonien-Singh will ever bring up her famous ancestor in polite company or if she won't die fifteen minutes into the third episode without having muttered a word to Cadet Uhura or a nod to Lt. Spock.
Nope.
Yes.
We can do this all day.
Nothing's gone your way during the Kurtzman Era up to this point. What makes you think it's going to now? The truth.
Simply don't watch it, there are other shows out there and the good is these Kurtzman shows will eventually end and there will be another series some day. Still a shame though, these producers have such a large canvas to dive into but instead continue to tread old waters and muddying it up. What a waste?
If people are engaging with Star Trek then it is not a waste. But, I suppose that's a question all have to consider.
If they find it entertaining enough they won't 'turn on it' due to continuity violations - Hell STII:TWoK is proof at that. It's considered the best of all Styar Trek films even with the fact that:
The fact a Federation Starship and it's sensors systems and crew FAILED to recognized the Ceti Alpha system had changed - and planet orbits shifted due to one of the planets in said system exploding - and somehow mistook Ceti Alpha VI for Ceti Alpha V.
The Character of Pavel Chekov was NEVER in the TOS S1 Space Seed episode (as the character hadn't even been created or cast yet when that episode was written or filmed); so there was no way Kahn could have seen his face to "never forget" it in the first place.
Khan himself is well aware of the actual year (2282) - yet when making his speech to Chekov and Co. says: "On Earth 200 years ago..." <--- Really? The Botany Bay launched in 1996. 286 years ago...what, did Kahn forget nearly a century? (And yes, I know the reason the line is as it is because in TOS S1 - Space Seed; Khan was told on screen it was estimated that 2 centuries passed so that was a literal call back to the episode.) But yes, Khan can remember with clear specificity how many years ago he was left on Ceti Alpha V, and also when Ceti Alpha VI exploded, but he can't adjust now that he should know way more than 200 years have passed since he was a despotic dictator of an old Earth nation state?
The fact Kirk himself forgot about the fact that he HAS 'faced death' like he did with Spock - and did so in the second pilot episode of Star Trek S1 - "Where No Man Has Gone Before", in that he was forced to kill his close friend of 12 years - Gary Mitchell (which he had served with and was friends with him to the point he asked for Gary Mitchell to be posted go the Enterprise, his first Command) <--- But of course didn't jive with the way the writers of STII:TWoK wanted to portray Kirk, so of course Kirk forgot...
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yes, all these continuity errors, yet you don't see many Star Trek fans with torches and pitchforks decrying STII:TWoK as 'not Trek' or it's producers and writers described as 'not knowing Star Trek history...'
Will the same 'Treksperts' on Youtube (like Small...er DoomCock et. al.) decry SNW as an affront to "Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek"? Absolutely. But overall Star Trek fans seems very forgiving if they find something very entertaining to them in a good way.
Since she was introduced along with Pike, Spock, Uhura, M’Benga, Chapel, and the other new characters, it’s highly unlikely she’s going to die. And they didn’t give her that last name because they have no intention of having it be a major plot point of the show.
And there was no evidence that Spock and the Enterprise were going to show up in DSC, until they did.
I'm not talking about continuity. I know that not everyone who hates or dislikes these shows is a Stewey or a James Dixon. But they still do not like this production era of Star Trek and there's been no regime change, so SNW will have a different story-telling format but -- as a production -- it'll still have all the same sensibilities as DSC and PIC. Sensibilities they don't like.If they find it entertaining enough they won't 'turn on it' due to continuity violations - Hell STII:TWoK is proof at that. It's considered the best of all Styar Trek films even with the fact that:
The fact a Federation Starship and it's sensors systems and crew FAILED to recognized the Ceti Alpha system had changed - and planet orbits shifted due to one of the planets in said system exploding - and somehow mistook Ceti Alpha VI for Ceti Alpha V.
The Character of Pavel Chekov was NEVER in the TOS S1 Space Seed episode (as the character hadn't even been created or cast yet when that episode was written or filmed); so there was no way Kahn could have seen his face to "never forget" it in the first place.
Khan himself is well aware of the actual year (2282) - yet when making his speech to Chekov and Co. says: "On Earth 200 years ago..." <--- Really? The Botany Bay launched in 1996. 286 years ago...what, did Kahn forget nearly a century? (And yes, I know the reason the line is as it is because in TOS S1 - Space Seed; Khan was told on screen it was estimated that 2 centuries passed so that was a literal call back to the episode.) But yes, Khan can remember with clear specificity how many years ago he was left on Ceti Alpha V, and also when Ceti Alpha VI exploded, but he can't adjust now that he should know way more than 200 years have passed since he was a despotic dictator of an old Earth nation state?
The fact Kirk himself forgot about the fact that he HAS 'faced death' like he did with Spock - and did so in the second pilot episode of Star Trek S1 - "Where No Man Has Gone Before", in that he was forced to kill his close friend of 12 years - Gary Mitchell (which he had served with and was friends with him to the point he asked for Gary Mitchell to be posted go the Enterprise, his first Command) <--- But of course didn't jive with the way the writers of STII:TWoK wanted to portray Kirk, so of course Kirk forgot...
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yes, all these continuity errors, yet you don't see many Star Trek fans with torches and pitchforks decrying STII:TWoK as 'not Trek' or it's producers and writers described as 'not knowing Star Trek history...'
Will the same 'Treksperts' on Youtube (like Small...er DoomCock et. al.) decry SNW as an affront to "Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek"? Absolutely. But overall Star Trek fans seems very forgiving if they find something very entertaining to them in a good way.
Or she might be completely ignorant of her famous ancestor. Despite the significance to Star Trek fans it might hold very little weight with La'an, or her history might even be inaccurate because the records were fragmentary as described in the episode.
It would be nice if they did. At least demonstrate some measure of consistency.
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