I mean, there was bound to be some aesthetic influence on future developments regardless of how careful the Enterprise crew was. Also, the Borg wouldn't care so there would be a response to that tech exposure.
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Voyager references the past events in First Contact in 2 separate episodes. The signal the Borg sent out in ENT Regeneration leads to the Borg events in TNG (with a little prodding by Q), that's why the Borg were in Beta Quadrant during TNG Season 1. There's tons of TNG and Voyager references in Picard showing events were not any different.
The events of First Contact always happened. It's a predestination paradox.
Unless you're going to say the altered timeline is nearly identical to the old one. Then what's the point of making it an alternate timeline?
The events of First Contact always happened. It's a predestination paradox.
Unless you're going to say the altered timeline is nearly identical to the old one. Then what's the point of making it an alternate timeline?
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The predestination paradox was always my answer too. But the preponderance of evidence, (not really Disco itself but mainly in Q&A where we're now supposed to believe the Enterprise bridge and uniforms literally went from Disco style to Cage then back to Disco style all in 2254) makes me concede that perhaps the timeline was altered.
Since Voyager happened after the 24th century events of First Contact, presumably they wouldn't have happened at all or in the same way in Voyager if time travel didn't occur in FC.
Yes the altered timeline is, dialogue wise, almost identical to the old one. The only point of making it an alternate timeline is to explain Q&A and Cage probably. Even Disco's Enterprise look and the shift back to a TOS look can be explained with refits. But a refit back and forth within 2254 alone stretches believability to extremes, unless we retcon in (like Dr. Who did) that Starfleet bridges are skinnable like a computer operating system desktop theme (which is possible )
Yeah a Klingon walked into the Guardian of Forever and stepped on a targ, and the whole galaxy went haywire.You can always chalk amy inconsistency stuff up to some Klingon or Tholian or *insert random warp capable species here* accidentally going back in time and butterfly effect affecting the timeline if you want to
I don't think we're being asked to believe that any more than we're being asked to believe that Spock literally went from looking like Ethan Peck to Leonard Nimoy and back again.
The actor change can't be helped (barring extremely expensive CGI). The bridge set can, and they made a choice not to recreate it. It was fine in Discovery when there was a few years between the Cage and Discovery. But Q&A took out that buffer time. As such, fans are left with their own explanations like swappable bridge modules, "desktop" themes, or outright timeline changes.
That's pretty much my view, allowing for minor variations through the course of productions. Honestly, I'm forgiving of most of this stuff. It all fits together for me.
Pretty shortly the new continuity will begin overwriting the TOS version of the Kirk era. Within a few years, I'd say.
If that's the way they're going to go, I'd rather they just jump ahead to the TOS movie period which is really untouched for them to do whatever they want. Rebecca and Ethan can stick around (maybe Number One transferred back to the Enterprise between the movies or something), and they find a cure for Pike to bring him back out of Talos.
differences in production design =/= different timeline unless the creators actually say it's a different timeline.
Suspension of disbelief for being 50+ years later.
But that's just a personal preference. You have yours, I have mine.
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I remain convinced that the refit Enterprise – particularly the bridge - has to do with a long-term mission involving the Sheliak, since there was supposed to be a conflict with them a year prior to the Federation-Klingon War and we have no idea what that mission was that kept the Enterprise out of the war. As for why the nacelles were refitted to be like the NX class, I’m not sure. A tribute sure, but for what practical uses? Since the only ones I can thing of involve traversing through neutrino storms and sending the crew into the catwalk to stay for a week. And the NX nacelle design makes it a lot less toasty in there compared to the classic design.
I don't see anything circa 2250s in the Sheliak article here: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Sheliak
Although non-canon, the Enterprise War novel covers what CBS may have had in mind for the Enterprise's actions during the Klingon war.
Personally I think the best way is a voice command skinnable bridge (we already have quantum storage in Trek), or otherwise the Cage bridge is a temporary bridge module used for special occasions (the Rigel incident in Cage, crossing the galactic barrier in Where No Man Has Gone Before) and the Cage/WNMHGB uniforms are Starfleet's dress uniforms used for those special occasions, with Disco's Enterprise bridge and Disco's colored uniforms being the "normal" look for Enterprise crew in the 2250s
Last contact with the Sheliak was 111 years before that TNG episode. 2366 - 111 is 2255.
Rogue One had the overbridge on the Death Star look exactly the same, just with better lighting effects, 40 years later. Same for Yavin's Rebel command center. Time difference isn't the same for sets like it is for actors. You can recreate a set that you can't do with an actor (short of, again, expensive CGI).
So I view it as a conscious design change by the producers, and fans are free to have fan explanations to explain those changes. Nothing wrong with that.
Yup. Also different production values, and goals of telling the story.
Star Wars is famously static in a way Star Trek is not. But Star Trek is trying like hell to be that static.
I missed where your two examples were in the same franchise. You could have totally gone with IAMD and actually had a point but alas… Still, I go with it being an aesthetic CHOICE by the producers just like Rogue One and IAMD were different CHOICEs.
From a dramatic and audience appeal POV the last thing they want to do is skip over Kirk and Spock on their five-year mission. They're setting it up with SNW, whether that is their explicit intention going in or not. They pretty much have to do TOS Redux.
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