(*Sighs in Hemmer*)
Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x02 - "Children of The Comet"
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You haven't really watched a lot of Star Trek in the past 50 years have you?
These past 50+ years must have been very difficult for you.
Edit: Almost ninja'd word-for-word by Noname Given!
TOS Sulu and Uhura, "At least you had backstories."
Ah, thank you for the correction!
Of course it does! Why would Spock only have a picture of T'Pring as a child? Heck, the dialogue during the koon-ut-kal-if-fee implies as much.Tuskin38 said:
So a contradiction.Tuskin38 said:
It's very much a contradiction! Spock explained the Vulcan "mating rituals" quite well.Tuskin38 said:
nope
She's not a starfleet officer, it's not a contradiction.
And nope.
I love continuity as much as any hardcore fan and analyze the shit out of these series but if I don't see any continuity-breaking canon violations in the T'Pring thing then there isn't one. 
Reading the dialog I think the only contradiction is to fan assumptions.
OK I'm a bit late to the game (I've been ill). First off, I have to say we've seen more character development for Uhura in this very episode than in all the other Treks featuring her put together! I liked how they showed her musical side and how it ultimately helped save the lives of herself, Singh, Spock, and Lt. Kirk as she interfaced with the M'hanit (the comet-like spacecraft that threatened Persephone III). Like her Kelvin-counterpart, she is quite a skilled linguist and we learn about some of her family history - again which we barely even know about in canon-Trek. This is yet another thing Strange New Worlds has done that has surpassed the Kelvin movies.
We don't see Hemmer much, except that he's not exactly a very warm and social person. He also HATES it when people refer to his blindness as a disability, as Spock points out to Uhura. To an Aenar, it's not really a handicap at all, his other senses more than make up for it - he doesn't need a VISOR or ocular implants like Geordi La Forge does. I have mixed feelings about his position, although to be fair, La Forge was NOT initially chief engineer on the Enterprise-D on TNG. One really interesting fact though is the actor who portrays him - Bruce Horak - is blind in real life! It's not the first time Trek has had an actor/actress with a disability: in the TNG second season episode "Loud as a Whisper," Howie Seago, who portrays the deaf mediator Riva, is also deaf in real life.
It also leaves us, the audience, with quite a bit to ponder. The M'hanit foresaw the maneuver Spock was going to pull to alter its trajectory so that it wouldn't harm the planet but instead help the life on the world thrive by releasing water vapor into the atmosphere, as if Spock played a heavy role in the comet-spacecraft's "destiny" in changing the environment of Persephone III for the better.
They still go into Pike's premonition as he's curious about the cadets he saves in the incident that leads him to his paralysis in the wheelchair - or "Pike-mobile" as some fans like to call it.
We don't see Hemmer much, except that he's not exactly a very warm and social person. He also HATES it when people refer to his blindness as a disability, as Spock points out to Uhura. To an Aenar, it's not really a handicap at all, his other senses more than make up for it - he doesn't need a VISOR or ocular implants like Geordi La Forge does. I have mixed feelings about his position, although to be fair, La Forge was NOT initially chief engineer on the Enterprise-D on TNG. One really interesting fact though is the actor who portrays him - Bruce Horak - is blind in real life! It's not the first time Trek has had an actor/actress with a disability: in the TNG second season episode "Loud as a Whisper," Howie Seago, who portrays the deaf mediator Riva, is also deaf in real life.
It also leaves us, the audience, with quite a bit to ponder. The M'hanit foresaw the maneuver Spock was going to pull to alter its trajectory so that it wouldn't harm the planet but instead help the life on the world thrive by releasing water vapor into the atmosphere, as if Spock played a heavy role in the comet-spacecraft's "destiny" in changing the environment of Persephone III for the better.
They still go into Pike's premonition as he's curious about the cadets he saves in the incident that leads him to his paralysis in the wheelchair - or "Pike-mobile" as some fans like to call it.
This make me think that maybe Pike and his lover still live on that planet in TNG era. Hey, Picard can meet Pike in Star Trek Picard if they want to, actually. Or even Discovery crews can meet with Pike again if they come to the planet where Pike live in illusion with that woman... Vina? Actually that meeting can become a good ending for Discovery, when they finish the show, I think.
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same here. If anything what was added so far makes Amok Time seems much less backwards: instead of two children forced to marry we now have two adults that consent to it.I love continuity as much as any hardcore fan and analyze the shit out of these series but if I don't see any continuity-breaking canon violations in the T'Pring thing then there isn't one.
also on discovery Aurellio is wheelchair bound for real due to ALS.
This episode was fine. Was expecting a deeply cringe "Charlie X" style song from Uhura to save the day but thankfully they didn't go beyond humming.
Highlight:
SAM KIRK: Yahtzee! *dies*
Highlight:
SAM KIRK: Yahtzee! *dies*
I finally gave this episode a try. I hadn't been particularly impressed by the pilot, but was told I couldn't judge the show on one episode.
I'm afraid #2 didn't do it for me either. It felt weirdly paced, oddly relaxed and jocular when I expected tension, the f/x was really unconvincing, and the pew pew scenes were really bad. Also, I don't think the showrunners know how orbital mechanics do.
I liked it when Mount wasn't on the screen, which is problematic since it's his show. He had two modes this episode: smarm and flat. Peck was better. He doesn't sell me as "Spock", or even "young Spock", but I appreciated what they were doing with him.
I liked the reference to the musical note activation in "The Paradise Syndrome", but I feel that scene would have been a lot more compelling had it not depended on an accident. Instead of Uhura humming nervously to activate the machine, I would have written something more along the lines of:
Uhura: Spock, do you see how the carvings are all regularly spaced? There's something about it...double width for some lines, half again for others, third widths again for some. It reminds me of graphs of harmonic wave patterns, almost like.."
Spock: Music.
Uhura: (hopeful smile) Exactly!
Spock: Cadet, I do hope you reconsider your indifference regarding your chosen career.
Uhura: Is that a compliment?
Spock: It is a statement of fact.
Uhura: Wait 'till you hear me harmonize...
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I think that would have underscored better Uhura's talent and brilliance. This show, and most modern Trek, suffers from the Apollo 13 syndrome. Everyone wings things by the seat of their pants, snarking and accidenting their way through success.
Oh well. I get that it's entertainment and folks like it. It's just not for me.
I'm afraid #2 didn't do it for me either. It felt weirdly paced, oddly relaxed and jocular when I expected tension, the f/x was really unconvincing, and the pew pew scenes were really bad. Also, I don't think the showrunners know how orbital mechanics do.
I liked it when Mount wasn't on the screen, which is problematic since it's his show. He had two modes this episode: smarm and flat. Peck was better. He doesn't sell me as "Spock", or even "young Spock", but I appreciated what they were doing with him.
I liked the reference to the musical note activation in "The Paradise Syndrome", but I feel that scene would have been a lot more compelling had it not depended on an accident. Instead of Uhura humming nervously to activate the machine, I would have written something more along the lines of:
Uhura: Spock, do you see how the carvings are all regularly spaced? There's something about it...double width for some lines, half again for others, third widths again for some. It reminds me of graphs of harmonic wave patterns, almost like.."
Spock: Music.
Uhura: (hopeful smile) Exactly!
Spock: Cadet, I do hope you reconsider your indifference regarding your chosen career.
Uhura: Is that a compliment?
Spock: It is a statement of fact.
Uhura: Wait 'till you hear me harmonize...
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I think that would have underscored better Uhura's talent and brilliance. This show, and most modern Trek, suffers from the Apollo 13 syndrome. Everyone wings things by the seat of their pants, snarking and accidenting their way through success.
Oh well. I get that it's entertainment and folks like it. It's just not for me.
I thought it sounded like Peter Cullen or the Movie Trailers Guy.
I have read some interesting articles and videos from an alternative/fringe take on the physics of cosmology, that suggests that the massive coma and tail are actually a product of an object approaching another celestial object too closely, that maintains a different charge potential, and interacting electromagnetically to produce spectacular light shows, like the Northern Lights are a product of solar wind interacting with our magnetosphere. And, after all, we landed a probe on a comet, and found no ice anywhere, just a charred up, sooty rock. This would also be why they don't melt forever on a close approach to the sun, and instead flare as soon as they get close enough for interaction, and go dead when leaving the area.
But yes, I am completely agreeing with the concept that a rocky world like Pluto would flare like a comet, when approaching a star. Absolutely.
[A rogue dwarf planet. Real planets can have tails and it doesn't make them comets.[/QUOTE]
The same alternative take, suggests that any object, regardless of size, could interact, by flaring or by exchanging electrons in search of neutrality, in the form of celestial lightning. These plasma discharges machine debris off of terrestrial surfaces, creating circular craters, lichtenberg patterns, or just plain knocking debris out into the solar system. The idea is that nothing is in its point of origin, and that the random planetary debris that we call comets, asteroids, and meteors are from the same origin, but we do not correlate this space debris properly as we look at them as separate objects. Big rocky spheroids in our solar system, whether Mercury, or Ganymede, or Ceres, or Titan, or Venus, all would have originated orbiting gas giants, and the fact that some of them orbit the Sun now is irrelevent to their point of origin. Orbits are in search of neutrality, and are self adjusting, and coma's, cratering, and the occasional planetary cataclysm are just natural aspects of this.
It might be fantasy, but its by far the most intriguing take on things I've read about in a long time.
I know everyone will just tell me how wrong I am and what a crackpot I am..... Alas. shrug. Interesting things to think about, though.
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We know Yahtzee survives into the early-to-mid 23rd century. This opens up the possibility Hungry Hungry Hippos is still being played in the times of Archer, Pike and Kirk. 
Interplanetary wars have been fought over games of Bayblades and Jenga
I liked it. A lot. Has a lot of TOS/TAS/TNG feel to it.
It looks very much like this "Sam Kirk" really is George Samuel Kirk, Jr.
It looks very much like this "Sam Kirk" really is George Samuel Kirk, Jr.
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