Well, at least there's one thing you and I agree on!
Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x02 - "Children of The Comet"
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That's untrue, though.
Have you ever heard of Aesop's fables?
It is definitely a part of our cultural tradition that certain works of fiction are used to teach moral principles.
That doesn't mean that all works of fiction, or even most works of fiction, are either appropriate or utilized for this purpose. Nor does it mean that authors have a duty to moralize in only socially acceptable or appropriate ways, or a duty to craft fiction only in acceptable ways.
You're a bad person for even suggesting that. Naughty!
I'm guessing it leads to engineering.
Agreed, though they usually do that in conjunction with a cultural backdrop.
Heaven forbid! :OYes!
And there's probably more too.
It is shocking. I hope you were sitting down!
That would never happen in a modern Trek series. Oh, wait . . .
Hell, I was watching DSC S04E10 a couple of hours back and they did just that, in the middle of a crisis, in the cringiest way possible. This after the excellent 9th episode of the season, was quite the annoyance. :P
Not at all - the jagged edges are very different
Unless it hits after it went around the sunOne minor goof with this episode: to the aliens on the surface of the planet, the comet would not be seen tracking across their sky if it was on a collision course. An object on a collision course visually appears to have 'zero bearing drift with decreasing range.' It would simply hang in the sky, getting bigger over days and months, until the very end when it hit atmo and might be seen passing overhead on its way to the impact point. This was something that the movie "Deep Impact" actually got right.
Very minor nitpick, and it didn't detract from my enjoyment of the ep at all. I was more bothered by the size of the captain's cabin.
Sure, if debris hits you in the head, you're gonna sense it. But it won't be sound
Oooh oooh bitter dregs!
Yeah, I was trying to be nice and not mention the series, but I was thinking of Discovery!
So, the octave is universal and the various musical systems divide it into various numbers of steps. But from what I gather, no one uses less than 12 tones. in India they are called the 12 swaras, in China it's the Shí-èr-lǜ. All the microtonal scales are related mathematicly somehow to those 12 tones.
So there's no reason I can see that the alien notes wouldn't be describable using western notation. Especially if the 12 note system is the most basic.
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They stated in dialog that the alien musical notation was based on rational numbers. They explicitly talked about multiplying the frequency of a fundamental tone by 2, 3, and 5, the first three prime numbers, but then there was also no hard distinction enforced between a tone and one whose frequency was scaled by a factor of one-half, one-quarter, etc. In dialog they observed that the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th harmonics correspond respectively to the octave, perfect fifth, and major third, which is true IRL, provided you ignore which octave the notes are in.
There was no stated concept of musical scale, because under the alien system there would be a countable infinity of notes per octive (corresponding to all fractions between 1 and 2).
Someone upthread (or in another thread) asked the question of how Uhura knew what to sing to get the shields down. The answer is, she decoded the writing on the egg and interpreted it, in light of the chamber's reaction to her singing, as representing sequences of numbers that in turn represented sequences of musical notes performed together. She didn't necessarily know what the singing would do. She knew only that the music was scripted.
One might say that it's awfully convenient that she picked a script that activated the shields-down function, but the episode itself provided the explanation of how that happened. The beings who built the comet predicted the entire event, so they would have been in a position to choose both the script on the egg and the programmed reaction to hearing the scripted music to be in accordance with the intended and foretold action. In other words, it was necessary for the music scripted on the egg to trigger only one function: lower shields.
There was no stated concept of musical scale, because under the alien system there would be a countable infinity of notes per octive (corresponding to all fractions between 1 and 2).
Someone upthread (or in another thread) asked the question of how Uhura knew what to sing to get the shields down. The answer is, she decoded the writing on the egg and interpreted it, in light of the chamber's reaction to her singing, as representing sequences of numbers that in turn represented sequences of musical notes performed together. She didn't necessarily know what the singing would do. She knew only that the music was scripted.
One might say that it's awfully convenient that she picked a script that activated the shields-down function, but the episode itself provided the explanation of how that happened. The beings who built the comet predicted the entire event, so they would have been in a position to choose both the script on the egg and the programmed reaction to hearing the scripted music to be in accordance with the intended and foretold action. In other words, it was necessary for the music scripted on the egg to trigger only one function: lower shields.
So the comet was called "C/2260-Quentin" So are we in in 2260 now?
The Federation seems to be using modified Earth labelling, that number is the year of discovery.
Though in real life they don't normally have a name at the end, but a alphanumeric designation. But I imagine by the 23rd century they may have ran out of alphanumeric designations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_long-period_comets
The Federation seems to be using modified Earth labelling, that number is the year of discovery.
Though in real life they don't normally have a name at the end, but a alphanumeric designation. But I imagine by the 23rd century they may have ran out of alphanumeric designations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_long-period_comets
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So the comet was called "C/2260-Quentin" So are we in in 2260 now?
The Federation seems to be using modified Earth labelling, that number is the year of discovery.
Though in real life they don't normally have a name at the end, but a alphanumeric designation. But I imagine by the 23rd century they may have ran out of alphanumeric designations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_long-period_comets
I was kind of wondering the same thing with the comet name, I'm guessing it's just a number and not meant to represent a specfic year.
Sorry, I was late to watch & thus late to the party.
I have not waded through the entire thread, so forgive me if I post something that is either off or already talked out.
Generally, I liked the episode. A tip of the hat to Uhura's fondness for music that was integral to the plot instead of extraneous. A tie in between the plot and Pike's/Una's predetermination debate is very Trek.
Good background on Uhura. Kind of similar to Hoshi Sato on Enterprise in terms of being linguist first & Starfleet 2nd and having some issues with being in dangerous situations.
A couple small nits. It got a bit Close Encounters of the Trek Kind with the music for a minute. I still don't get how Uhura got the shields to drop (Because the comet wanted it to?).
Larger nits. Still a bit unclear how the more advanced ship had so much trouble hitting Enterprise. Or how the comet totally blocked shots at it but one shot from Enterprise drives the ship off? Or how the Shephards suddenly got over/failed to detect Spock messing with the comet? (OK, I guess he didn't touch it but he certainly interfered).
Aside from that, pretty strong. Pike's recklessness may be an issue going forward. Promising.
I have not waded through the entire thread, so forgive me if I post something that is either off or already talked out.
Generally, I liked the episode. A tip of the hat to Uhura's fondness for music that was integral to the plot instead of extraneous. A tie in between the plot and Pike's/Una's predetermination debate is very Trek.
Good background on Uhura. Kind of similar to Hoshi Sato on Enterprise in terms of being linguist first & Starfleet 2nd and having some issues with being in dangerous situations.
A couple small nits. It got a bit Close Encounters of the Trek Kind with the music for a minute. I still don't get how Uhura got the shields to drop (Because the comet wanted it to?).
Larger nits. Still a bit unclear how the more advanced ship had so much trouble hitting Enterprise. Or how the comet totally blocked shots at it but one shot from Enterprise drives the ship off? Or how the Shephards suddenly got over/failed to detect Spock messing with the comet? (OK, I guess he didn't touch it but he certainly interfered).
Aside from that, pretty strong. Pike's recklessness may be an issue going forward. Promising.
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