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Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"

Rate the Episode

  • 1 - Excellent

    Votes: 147 45.9%
  • 2

    Votes: 81 25.3%
  • 3

    Votes: 60 18.8%
  • 4

    Votes: 12 3.8%
  • 5

    Votes: 5 1.6%
  • 6

    Votes: 4 1.3%
  • 7

    Votes: 5 1.6%
  • 8

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • 9

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 10 - Terrible

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    320
  • Poll closed .
T'Pol did mention that the Forge had terrible sandstorms. This could be the most savage kind of storm that Vulcan experiences.
 
The Vulcans were kind of always how ENT presented them, we just didn't see much of that behavior. Spock became the avatar for all Vulcans for a long time and so we associated his ethics and kindness with his whole species. Nope. Even TOS showed how duplicitous and savage they can be. "Amok Time" showed they don't mind changing the rules if they can find logical reasoning for their decisions and will remain beholden to rituals that quite frankly aren't terribly logical.
ENT takes them quite a bit beyond that, though. Not a fan of how they were portrayed there, despite the later rationalisation.

And it's not just Spock. It's Sarek too.
 
You know, I just noticed a parallel between the transition from the paper Enterprise to the real one in SNW S1E01, and the transition between the Enterprise drawn in dirt at the end of STID's intro scene...
 
I finally managed to see this episode. I didn't love this episode. But I think I love this show.

This felt a lot of what I wanted a modern Trek series to feel like. I thought it was a bit too much on the references, winkes & nods, canon and injokes. But I absolutely love the characters, the styles, the visuals, the tone. How the people talk. How they act. It just felt Star Trek.
(Bonus points for opening your series with an episode WITHOUT any major battles & shoot-out!)


As far as the actual episode goes - I think it felt like a "middle-of-the-road" episode. One of the more unremarkable "planet-of-the-hats"-ones. I absolutely loved the scenario of a first contact gone wrong. Ithought the resolution was overly simple (though very TOS - Kirk also often held a speech with the Enterprise in the background at gunpoint). I really don't like the "news-reels", the Ukrainian flag & major Earth cities going nuclear. That was very taste-less.

Basically, if this was an episode in the middle of the season, I'd go "t'was a fine one" and move on.
As the start of a new series - it's very interesting. It's no "Encounter at Farpoint", "Emissary" or "Caretaker" - big, introductory episodes. This one felt like TOS "WNMHGB" - opening your show with an episode that could be any episode of the show, instead of a big, epic one. And I absolutely respect that.

So, even though I would give this episode "only" an 8 or something, I'm hyped as fuck for this show, and abso-fucking-lutely looking for more "8"-episodes, willing to accept a few 6-es or lower here and there, and absolutely looking forward to the few 9s and 10s I'm sure this series will offer.

My only complaint is that this show is only 10 episodes. Looking at this episodes - I could watch 20 of that every year! :guffaw:
 
My only complaint is that this show is only 10 episodes. Looking at this episodes - I could watch 20 of that every year!
Yeah the 10-episode-per-season format works well with modern serialisations because it allows a good story to avoid filler episodes, in theory, while allowing more budget to each chapter, but it's not as well adapted to episodic shows, despite the budget issue still beign there.
 
You know, I just noticed a parallel between the transition from the paper Enterprise to the real one in SNW S1E01, and the transition between the Enterprise drawn in dirt at the end of STID's intro scene...
One thing I did like about the episode is how Pike's story here reflects the teaser of Into Darkness.

Kirk makes a decision at the start of Into Darkness to bend the Prime Directive in order to save the population of a planet from firey destruction and in the process reveals his ship. This has a huge effect on their culture, demonstrated by their new fascination with the Enterprise. Starfleet intends to punish him for this, but his former mentor (and previous captain of the Enterprise) helps him avoid the worst of it.

Pike makes a decision at the start of Strange New Worlds to bend General Order 1 in order to save the population of a planet from firey destruction and in the process reveals his ship. This has a huge effect on their culture, demonstrated by their new fascination with the Enterprise. Starfleet intends to punish him for this, but his former mentor (and previous captain of the Enterprise) helps him avoid the worst of it.

Both sets of events happen roughly simultaneously.
 
Somebody else said the show feels better than what this episode reflected and I agree with that.

In part, because pilot episodes almost always feel a little "off" or different than what the show becomes once it hits its stride. I see that probably happening here. As long as they don't lean too hard on TOS tropes and recycle every villain/story/obstacle I think it will be a great show. There's a lot to like here.
 
Can we please have 10 as the best score on the poll next time instead of 1 :confused:

I really liked that opening episode. All the characters were likeable, the pacing was pretty spot on, the show looks and sounds great. I loved getting a First Contact story (one that connected to DIS S2 was a nice touch) because it's something we don't get to see enough. The FC conclusion was a little rushed but not as rushed when previous Trek shows have tried it. Pike continues to be a compelling character with a mixture of Kirk, Sisko and Picard in him. The scene on Vulcan with Spock and his to be wife was very funny and I loved how the guy came over to their table to ask them to stop kissing :lol:

A very promising start.
 
And all that you've stated is nothing more than a form of self-flagellation brought on by feelings of misspent guilt. We weren't there to make the decision to drop the atom bomb. And make no mistake: the Axis Powers would have had no compunction in dropping the bomb on any of the Allied Powers. It just that, in this reality, the Allies beat the Axis to the punch. Besides, I would venture to say that because of what happened to end the war, that act is what is preventing the use of nuclear weapons today as an option. We seen the horrors, both on human lives and the environment, which is why, again, I seriously doubt that nuclear weapons will ever be used in this day and age.

BTW? The fire-bombings caused by the Americans during the war caused more civilian deaths than did the two nuclear weapons, and the Japanese government under General Tojo refused to budge. Go figure.

Sure we do. Because once Japan surrendered, we were right there helping them rebuild their cities. We knew first hand the human and societal cost of what we did. Plus, we today weren't the ones that made that decision, it has been nearly eighty years since the event happened.

I'm not interested in constantly being punished for the choices or mistakes of my ancestors, I only hope I can learn from them.

I suspect it is a universal trait, but sometimes it feels uniquely American how we can hold ourselves as greater evils than others by default. American exceptionalism has to mean we're exceptionally bad, too.

The dropping of the nukes on Japan was a monstrous act that was probably unjustifiable. But "America" didn't do it, especially not in perpetuity. The leadership of the government and military ordered it. Other people carried it out. I doubt BillJ and I agree on much, but feeling endless guilt about the acts of your forebears is useless. Being cognizant of those actions, learning from them, and avoiding the same pitfalls is what we should do. And to say we cannot comment on something because of historical wrongs is ridiculous. Are we supposed to ignore any German about the rise of fascism, like say in the United States or Russia, because Hitler? If so, how many centuries does that last? How much German do you have to be to qualify as guilty of Germany's sins?
Definitely for another topic, but suffice to say I disagree with the fact that we've somehow learned from it, because we still bomb countries, some with depleted uranium warheads in civilian areas. I only speak what we've done, and that it was evil. I have no desire to sugarcoat or pretend that the US has somehow gotten better, because our $800 billion military budget clearly shows we have not.

Again, though, a discussion for another topic.
 
This is a wish come true, is it not? When Anson Mount's Pike took command of the Discovery, I wanted him to stay in the Captain's chair forever... And see his years on Enterprise fulfilled.
 
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