Still trying to pinpoint the third season "difference"
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Was Spock and the Red Angel nonsensical? In fact, watch the entire season. It could be a retelling of the Alternative Factor.
Was Matt Decker and the Doomsday Machine nonsensical?
Is antimatter nonsensical? Lazarus is lost in the mixing chamber.
Yep. That's it. You hit the nail on the head. Daniels and Pevney could create a comfortable viewing experience that lots of the third season directors simply couldn't.
I watched "Bread and Circuses" this morning. It's generally regarded as a good episode but not necessarily a classic. Ralph Senensky's direction is imaginative, assured, and smooth as silk. He pulls you right into the story from the beginning. Contrary to many of the third season episodes, where the direction feels paint-by-numbers mechanical.
Wow. Considering how well that came out and the emmy nomination, I'd say he was vindicated.
In a 1980s interview, Senensky said of "The Tholian Web":
"Quite frankly, the good stuff is what I shot. I think that you could probably spot what I shot."
Yes, you can.
Yeah. I think a lot of the reasons that "The Tholian Web" went over schedule weren't Senensky's fault. As I recall, the actors actually had to be sewn into their spacesuits for that episode, which obviously added a lot of time.
I'm assuming it was Fred Freiberger's decision to fire Senensky. I'm wondering if Robert Justman would have done the same if he were the guy in the chair.
I'm assuming it was Fred Freiberger's decision to fire Senensky. I'm wondering if Robert Justman would have done the same if he were the guy in the chair.
As I see it, Ralph Senensky's career got needlessly hurt by costumer William Ware Theiss. With just a little more imagination, Theiss could have closed the spacesuits with Velcro or zippers, and hidden the flaps under hoses or other suit fixtures. It was never a problem on Lost in Space.
http://senensky.com/the-tholian-web/
IMO, The Tholian Web turned out okay, despite the change in directors. It could have been a real clunker, but Herb Wallerstein seemed to pick up the pieces.
The episode wasn't in pieces, it was just behind schedule. Senensky says, quite credibly, that he shot the good material in TTW.
It’s just a figure of speech, where someone takes over from someone else and tries to figure out what the Hell to do.
I've always thought the characters were largely colder or short with each other in that season. The big three seemed tense most of the time, without any of the friendlier bonding of seasons 1 and 2.
I tend to concur with this, to varying degrees even across the whole franchise, but particularly TOS. I may have some criticisms, but i say hand on heart those 79 episodes always entertain me.
I tend to concur with this, to varying degrees even across the whole franchise, but particularly TOS. I may have some criticisms, but i say hand on heart those 79 episodes always entertain me.
Yeah, the closest I get to actually 'hating' an episode is Enterprise's TATV. I think part of it is that it WAS the last episode of Enterprise, a show I did come to love like the other shows and it was a horrible way to end it. If it was just some random episode I probably would hate it less (I would never really 'like' it, but maybe it wouldn't be as visceral--sometimes when an episode is aired impacts how it's viewed as well).
Voyager's "Threshold" crosses the ridiculous line as well, though there are a few things I liked about the episode, and it's not a season premiere or closer so it's a bit easier to be at least a bit more forgiving. TNG's "Code of Honor" is a bit embarrassing as well, though I do like what's her name who played Lutan's first wife--I liked her attitude and how she told Lutan he could be her number 2 now--I always thought that was worse than if she just told him to take a hike
Not only did you lose but you'll be reminded you're a loser every day for the rest of your miserable life and now you get to call your former lieutenant 'yes, sir' from now on. Otherwise other episodes are just varying degrees of like to love. And when doing a series rewatch I'll watch every episode of the series (thought TATV is the toughest--the only thing that gets me through that is the relaunch novels that provided an alternate explanation for what happened--so I look for those things when I watch it)
Regarding "THESE ARE THE VOYAGES...", you are right that airdate has to do with it.
Because it was not only the series finale, but basically the last new STAR TREK on the small screen for a long time. (At the time, I thought it would be decades in a best case scenario.)
It slapped the cast in the face because the finale wasn't even about THAT crew. If it was made in the muddle of the season, or even a couple episodes before the finale, it virtually certainly would not get the hatred it does. There may be a very few defenders if this episode, but given all I have read and seen over the years, I think the hatred of this finale is the closest thing to a universal agreement across the STAR TREK fanbase we'll ever get.
Because it was not only the series finale, but basically the last new STAR TREK on the small screen for a long time. (At the time, I thought it would be decades in a best case scenario.)
It slapped the cast in the face because the finale wasn't even about THAT crew. If it was made in the muddle of the season, or even a couple episodes before the finale, it virtually certainly would not get the hatred it does. There may be a very few defenders if this episode, but given all I have read and seen over the years, I think the hatred of this finale is the closest thing to a universal agreement across the STAR TREK fanbase we'll ever get.
I'll take Star Trek over any of the sequel stuff to be honest! All three seasons of 79 episodes!!! 
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I'll take Star Trek over any of the sequel stuff to be honest! All three seasons of 79 episodes!!!
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Agreed. I was watching a comedy show today and it was really bad humor, so....presto-chango, I popped in a TOS DVD.
Can't think of a better choice! What episode did you peruse may I ask my Lord? 
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I’ve been hooked on season 3 lately. Spock’s Brain still is one of my favorite S3 episodes, JB.
Can't think of a better choice! What episode did you peruse may I ask my Lord?
JB
I’ve been hooked on season 3 lately. Spock’s Brain still is one of my favorite S3 episodes, JB.
I liked it a lot but I wouldn't say it was one of my favourite shows of season three! That would be saved for Day of The Dove, The Tholian Web, The Enterprise Incident and All Our yesterdays! 
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