STD: Only Marginally Better than The Final Frontier

[Groppler Zorn]

It would be hilarious if Season 2 opened up like Dallas and she goes into the bathroom to find Lorca in the shower.

Michael: I dreamed I saw the worst episodes of Star Trek Discovery and you were evil and Phillipa was evil and Tyler was a half Klingon spy and the Klingons all looked like monsters!

Lorca: [puts his arm around Michael, looks concerned] don’t worry Michael it’s alright I’m here. Wait... what’s Star Trek Discovery?

*both turn to look wide-eyed at camera*

*TNG ominous horns play*

 

[CrazyMinh]

...Well frak it. Here come the big guns.

Do you REALLY want a series of Trek that makes as many canonical errors, blatant idiotic writing (Spore!!! Drives!!!), makes the main character the entire f**king focus of the series (as well as portraying her as a xenophobic mary sue with a personality as appealing as plywood), kills off half its supporting cast for plot twists, sets up what could have been a very interesting storyline with Lorca, and then dumps it in the trash with the revelation that he's from the mirror universe, creates a situation where a major plot element of the new show completely invalidates a entire series (Voyager could have used the Spore Drive to get home in a single movie instalment), and a bunch of other things. The writers have clearly not watched enough Star Trek to get the meaning (or if they have they've completely missed the underlying meaning), have invented things which aren't even f**king canonical in the universe before now (spore drives, black alert, space ork klingons, Klingons who've abandoned their culture). Hell, on the note of the Klingons, you can't pass them off as a subspecies or a different religeon, because when they visit Kronos, there ARE no normal klingons or otherwise. Nor is there any indication that T'kuvmas group are the only ones to put f**king coffins on the outside of their ships (all the klingon ships from other houses in 'the battle at the binary stars' have the same design and the same coffin-coated exterior). There's replicators and holodecks on Federation ships before their creation in the 24th century (it is noted several times during the next generation (and is even mentioned IN DIALOUGE in Voyager) that they had no holodecks or replicators until the very end of the 23rd century, and the beginning of the next (other races may have had them, but the federation did not)), the federation apperntly now commits war crimes (even today (a primitive time by Trek standards) using corpses as bombs is a major war crime. Even terrorists (TMK) don't do that!!!), apparently they don't have shuttlecraft on the Shengzou (there is literally no point to Burnham going out in a flying space suit other than to have a situation where the protagonist is alone).

Also, I just spend god knows how long watching the rest of STD. It did get better towards the middle, but not by much, and then it just went downhill from there

 

[Lord Garth]

DSC is my favorite Star Trek series besides TOS. I don't care what anyone else says. I know what my opinion is and I'm going to own it.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

This isn't going to end well.

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[Hythlodeus]

...Well frak it. Here come the big guns.

Do you REALLY want a series of Trek that [...]

Yeah, of course I want that. Why wouldn't I?

 

[F. King Daniel]

...Well frak it. Here come the big guns.

Do you REALLY want a series of Trek that makes as many canonical errors

It's clearly a reboot, there are no canonical errors. It's Gotham to Adam West's old Batman series.

(all the klingon ships from other houses in 'the battle at the binary stars' have the same design and the same coffin-coated exterior).

They do not.

Also, I just spend god knows how long watching the rest of STD. It did get better towards the middle, but not by much, and then it just went downhill from there

There haven't been enough hours since your initial post to do so. I'm calling bullshit.

 

[Takeru]

It's meant to be a critical review of the series, done by a critic that CBS DIDN'T pay off to give the dumpster fire that is STD good reviews.

Just to let you know, leading with this is not a good start.

Before I start, I'd like to add that for those who actually LIKE this franchise-killer of a show: you're welcome to your opinion, as am I. I'm not going to bellittle you for liking that masterpiece of terrible writing, abysmal research and god-awful potent-

So what you're saying is "If you like it you are wrong".

STD however bastardises the feel of the 23rd century, and doesn't even use the style that the people of the time built their starships along to. There are no big, glowing buttons. There are no funny 'plastic' fixtures. There are no pipes labeled GN-DN (standing for Goes Nowhere-Does Nothing).

It's not a 1960s show and shouldn't look like one.

The enterprise badge (which doesn't appear until after the completion of the original 5-year mission) is everywhere.

The delta was supposed to be used on all starfleet ships back in TOS, showing other ships with their own badges was a mistake, there are production memos from back then flat out stating this. If you're referring to it being a metal badge instead of a sewn on patch ... so what?

Don't think that's canon??? Look at the original Star Trek: The Next Generation technical manual, which was actually written by people who had actually worked on proper Star Trek before.

The non canon technical manual?

STD has shit writing. I say this as a writer myself. It. Is. Shit.

Ah, the classic "I'm an expert, so my opinion matters more". Even if you are a writer (which we can't confirm), why does it matter? According to you the Discovery writers produce shit writing, so being a writer does not mean that person knows good writing ...

(starfleet officers don't act like Michelle Burnham (that is to say whiny, xenophobic, stupid bitches with a Mary-Sue complex bigger than that of Wesley Crusher)),

You should rewatch TOS, there were several examples of biased and less than perfect starfleet officers.

the depiction of the Klingons is just....stupid,

Has been like that since TNG ... I mean when did klingons start to care about honor? They are supposed to be backstabbing, sneaky bastards. Those hack writers on TNG just took the romulan honorable characteristics and grafted them onto the klingons, right?

Burnham (alive; briefly send to prison in a possibly accidental offensive stereotype of a black person)
- Gergiou...or whatever (dead/mirror version alive)
- Native American Security officer (killed off by space monster in the second episode she appeared in)
- Gay couple (one killed after appearing for 15 minutes, mostly in flashbacks after he died, the other alive)
- possible others...who no one cares about in the slightest (although we don't really care about the above characters in the first place)

So, they claim diversity...but only two of the characters listed are actually still alive as their original versions. Seriously, that's diversity??? More like a lot of dead characters...

Yes, that's diversity! The reason they killed more minorities is because there were more minorities to begin with. I'm not happy Culber was killed for example but the other shows not killing off gay characters is NOT an achievement considering there were no gay characters!
The human or human looking main characters in season one were:
A black woman (Burnham)
A white man (Lorca)
An arab man (Tyler)
A white gay man (Stamets)
A white slightly overweight woman (Tilly) (that's not a knock against the actress who looks good but she's not exactly the hollywood ideal of a thin actress)

The supporting cast features:
A malaysian woman (Georgiou)
A black gay man (Culber)
A black woman (Owosekun)
A white woman (Detmer)
An indian woman (Landry)
An asian man (Rhys)
A black man (Bryce)
A white woman (Cornwell)

That's phenomenal when it comes to diversity, it blows every other incarnation of Star Trek out of the water. And the kicker, the sole straight, white man was killed off!

- Those space orcs they call klingons

Do you prefer white man in brownface with bushy eyebrows?

- No warp core in engineering, but warp narcelles on the discovery

We haven't seen Discovery's engineering only the spore drive lab but I don't recall seeing a warp core in the TOS engineering either, so ...

- No correlation between TOS ships and STD ships

Saucers, some kind of secondary hulls, nacelles. I see a correlation but how many ship classes has TOS shown anyway? It was one! TOS never established a general look for the entire fleet and the TOS movies quickly introduced completely different ship configurations with the Reliant and the Grissom, only the Excelsior resembled the Enterprise but wa sproportioned completely different.

- Bridges don't go on the bottom of saucer sections

Why not?

-Klingon's don't put coffins on their ships. The dead don't matter to them. The bodies are just empty shells to them.

Different groups of klingons can't have different beliefs and/or burial customs?

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm getting serious James Dixon-esque vibes here

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm getting serious James Dixon-esque vibes here

Holy shit. You're right. I don't want to say I think it's him. It might not be. But. There is that vibe.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Holy shit. You're right. I don't want to say I think it's him. It might not be. But. There is that vibe.

can't be him, ENT REDEEMED itself, you know?

 

[cultcross]

Also, I stopped watching after ep 3. The spore drive finished it for me. I HAVE kept up with it via spoilers...because I can't be bothered to watch the rest of the dumpster fire.

1.19am

Also, I just spend god knows how long watching the rest of STD. It did get

8.15am

Time lapse ~7 hours.

Remaining episodes of DSC: 13 episodes totalling 9.75 hours.

 

[CrazyMinh]

OK.
One: I have just watched it all. Starting from episode 3, I watched it through. I'm actually on the prepenultimate episode now (third last), and am just about to finish. I'm writing this while my popcorn cooks
Two: You want proof I'm a writer??? My fanfiction account is at https://www.fanfiction.net/u/6912772/
Three: Who the hell said that the technical manuals were any less canon that STD???
Four: It's not a reboot. They have clearly stated it's set in the prime timeline.
Five: That statement about the deltas is pure bullcrap. I haven't found a single reference online to support this, other than a few quotes by the writers and crew of STD. No official sources before STD have ever stated this or said anything but what I have said. Even the writers-edition of the TNG technical manual (intended for the TV writers use, and avaliable on Libgen.io) says exactly what I said about the badges, and that book wasn't originally intended for public release. It was only published AFTER TNG concluded.
Six: Burham isn't only biased. She's competely OOC for the Trek universe. Also, she's a mary sue: she's depicted as being perfect, and even when she fails people still love her/hate her for like three or four episodes
Seven: Actually, the TOS Klingons were still honourable. They were just more arrogant as a culture, and were also more eotisitcal. They were still honourable, as evidenced by the TOS movies (specifically The Undiscovered Country), and have been depicted to be capable of honourable behaviour in the classic TOS episode 'Day of the Dove'.
Eight: The correleation is in the lineage. There is a distinct evolution of Starship design between the shows. In the 22nd and early-to-mid 23rd century, round nacelle housings were used. In the last part of the 23rd and for half the 24th, rectangular housings were used. Late 24th century introduced angular pylons and nacelles, and represented a shift in design. The interiors also shifted in design, as seen through the different shows as designs shifted towards a neater, less untidy design. This is noted by Miles Obrein in the DS9 episode 'Trials and Tribble-ations', where he remarks that the wiring of the USS Enterprise is messy and chaotic compared to the clean ODN and EPS junctions of the 24th century. The design also has a lot more exposed pipes and junctions, representing a time where ships had to be able to make major repairs in the field with whatever they had on hand, and where having everything tucked away would complicate repairs. Holograms have never been depicted as replacing viewscreens, and even the USS Enterprise C (a Ambassador class starship build ~50 years onwards from the discovery) had less touchscreens and more hard controls (more of a blend between TOS bridges and TNG bridges (partially lessened in visiblity by the fact that they used the Enterprise D's battle bridge as the base for the set). The Enterprise D, build 100 years after the Discovery has no holograms outside of the holodeck for controls or interfaces (unless you count the astrolab in Generations) and has much less advanced touchscreens. The Discovery has angular nacelles, clean corridors, holographic systems everywhere and no viewscreen. It also has a major design flaw in the gaps within the hull as well as the massive plate glass window that APPARENTLY every starfleet ship now has. That's a major, major design flaw even far in the future.

 

[Hythlodeus]

1.19am


8.15am

Time lapse ~7 hours.

Remaining episodes of DSC: 13 episodes totalling 9.75 hours.

well, if you skip the intro and fast forward everytime there is no action scene and people are just...talking...

 

[Spot261]

The Final Frontier is an underrated classic. Personally i feel it gets better with age, like a fine wine.

One I drank several days ago you mean?

 

[Lord Garth]

can't be him, ENT REDEEMED itself, you know?

Speaking in general terms, you're forgetting about the Trekkie Rule of "Maybe the last series wasn't so bad after all." One day it'll happen with DSC too. Despite what some people here say.

 

[CorporalClegg]

FFS

The whole point to Micheal's character arc is that she's not perfect.

 

[CrazyMinh]

Also, I'm not that guy. Though I think I would have probably liked him if I had met him. Honestly though, I thought Enterprise was pretty good. Bar the Decon scenes, the blatant fanservice, the abysmal main title song, the awful last episode...Hell, I even considered naming my beagle Porthos. Except instead I called him Goddard, after Robbert Goddard the rocket scientist.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

...Well frak it. Here come the big guns.

Do you REALLY want a series of Trek that makes as many canonical errors, blatant idiotic writing (Spore!!! Drives!!!), makes the main character the entire f**king focus of the series (as well as portraying her as a xenophobic mary sue with a personality as appealing as plywood), kills off half its supporting cast for plot twists, sets up what could have been a very interesting storyline with Lorca, and then dumps it in the trash with the revelation that he's from the mirror universe, creates a situation where a major plot element of the new show completely invalidates a entire series (Voyager could have used the Spore Drive to get home in a single movie instalment), and a bunch of other things. The writers have clearly not watched enough Star Trek to get the meaning (or if they have they've completely missed the underlying meaning), have invented things which aren't even f**king canonical in the universe before now (spore drives, black alert, space ork klingons, Klingons who've abandoned their culture). Hell, on the note of the Klingons, you can't pass them off as a subspecies or a different religeon, because when they visit Kronos, there ARE no normal klingons or otherwise. Nor is there any indication that T'kuvmas group are the only ones to put f**king coffins on the outside of their ships (all the klingon ships from other houses in 'the battle at the binary stars' have the same design and the same coffin-coated exterior). There's replicators and holodecks on Federation ships before their creation in the 24th century (it is noted several times during the next generation (and is even mentioned IN DIALOUGE in Voyager) that they had no holodecks or replicators until the very end of the 23rd century, and the beginning of the next (other races may have had them, but the federation did not)), the federation apperntly now commits war crimes (even today (a primitive time by Trek standards) using corpses as bombs is a major war crime. Even terrorists (TMK) don't do that!!!), apparently they don't have shuttlecraft on the Shengzou (there is literally no point to Burnham going out in a flying space suit other than to have a situation where the protagonist is alone).

Also, I just spend god knows how long watching the rest of STD. It did get better towards the middle, but not by much, and then it just went downhill from there

The spore drive was pretty cool. They should go back and edit in references to it in each series, kinda like the star wars special editions

 

[cooleddie74]

This thread needs more marshmelons. And hookers.

 

[CorporalClegg]

eddie, never change.

The spore drive was pretty cool. They should go back and edit in references to it in each series, kinda like the star wars special editions

I'd rather just assume it becomes classified Techie-tech that's been locked away in Warehouse 31.