STC: To Boldly Indiegogo

[QuantumMechanic]

Here's the thing. We don't really know whether crowdfunding was the issue with CBS.

Maybe not, but I wouldn't be surprised if the amounts raised made someone at CBS sit up and say "Hold on a minute. Even if we don't mind what the fanfilm production company is doing with the money, we don't like the for-profit Kickstarter/Indiegogo/etc. making real money off our intellectual property".

Because the crowdfunding sites absolutely are making money of CBS's IP (because the campaigns wouldn't be able to be raising those funds without the draw of Trek), and I can't really blame CBS if they were not OK with that.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

i'm not wottied about contributing to something like STC that has proven themselves trustworthy. It's really little different than buying a musician's music and thus encouraging him/her to produce more music you like.

People probably aren't worried about STC pulling an Axanar with the money. They're probably worried about CBS deciding to shut STC down after all and thus having their donation be essentially wasted.

 

[Warped9]

It could just be that people are growing weary of these fan productions coming for money again and again.

Possibly. I can't speak for anyone else, but I've contributed to only one production and never for more than I could afford at any given time. So I hardly find it a burden or tiresome to support something I enjoy about every six months or so.

But if one were supporting more than one production then I could see a sort of donor fatigue setting in.

I still find it odd how support could drop off almost like hitting a brick wall rather than gradually fading away, particularly since the production this thread is discussing has done nothing untoward to turn people off.

 

[Potemkin_Prod]

People probably aren't worried about STC pulling an Axanar with the money. They're probably worried about CBS deciding to shut STC down after all and thus having their donation be essentially wasted.

And that's the problem in a nutshell.

 

[Astra]

I still find it odd how support could drop off almost like hitting a brick wall rather than gradually fading away, particularly since the production this thread is discussing has done nothing untoward to turn people off.

Could there be a much simpler reason? Could it be that people once signed up with Kickstarter, to be notified of new campaigns, and wait for it there, never having realized the movie to Indiegogo? I am often surprised when I read a fan tweet to one of my favorite entertainers, saying "When are you coming to Australia?" when he has been there just 4 weeks ago. Or last year they sold tickets to his concert tour for a WHOLE year and still people managed to get only aware of it on the very last concert day.

Not everyone checks news sites every day. Not even once a month apparently. They may have a family and be occupied by other things. Just an idea? It's our responsibility as fans to tell our friends about it. My friends rely on me a lot for news.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Could there be a much simpler reason? Could it be that people once signed up with Kickstarter, to be notified of new campaigns, and wait for it there, never having realized the movie to Indiegogo? I am often surprised when I read a fan tweet to one of my favorite entertainers, saying "When are you coming to Australia?" when he has been there just 4 weeks ago. Or last year they sold tickets to his concert tour for a WHOLE year and still people managed to get only aware of it on the very last concert day.

Not everyone checks news sites every day. Not even once a month apparently. They may have a family and be occupied by other things. Just an idea? It's our responsibility as fans to tell our friends about it. My friends rely on me a lot for news.

A number of the Kickstarter updates to Kirkstarter 2.0 have spoken about the Indiegogo campaign.

 

[Warped9]

Could there be a much simpler reason? Could it be that people once signed up with Kickstarter, to be notified of new campaigns, and wait for it there, never having realized the movie to Indiegogo? I am often surprised when I read a fan tweet to one of my favorite entertainers, saying "When are you coming to Australia?" when he has been there just 4 weeks ago. Or last year they sold tickets to his concert tour for a WHOLE year and still people managed to get only aware of it on the very last concert day.

Not everyone checks news sites every day. Not even once a month apparently. They may have a family and be occupied by other things. Just an idea? It's our responsibility as fans to tell our friends about it. My friends rely on me a lot for news.

Anyone following STC couldn't miss all their announcments about moving to Indiegogo. And all their links related to their funding drive go straight to their Indiegogo page.

 

[9gs]

Anyone following STC couldn't miss all their announcments about moving to Indiegogo. And all their links related to their funding drive go straight to their Indiegogo page.

Yeah if you are anything but a very casual fan and you don't know about it your are dense to put it politely.

 

[Warped9]

Regrettably I don't think we're going to get the Ep. 6 teaser. As things are I don't see how they can raise $52,000 to make $200,000 over the next two days by May 1st.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

STC gave this response to a Facebook question today:

"There has been no request that we halt production. We are full speed ahead."

 

[Astra]

A number of the Kickstarter updates to Kirkstarter 2.0 have spoken about the Indiegogo campaign.

Thank you! I didn't know they were allowed to.

Yeah if you are anything but a very casual fan and you don't know about it your are dense to put it politely.

Well, I would agree but - see my examples of how other people were not getting basic news that also were all over the net and tweeted on a regular basis and talked about in several fangroups. Makes you really wonder. I have heard people talk about something like a real life. Not sure what that is though

Regrettably I don't think we're going to get the Ep. 6 teaser. As things are I don't see how they can raise $52,000 to make $200,000 over the next two days by May 1st.

The only consolation I have is that we will get to see the episode (I even earlier than anyone else), teaser or not. While it would have been nice, it's not that we are missing something important.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Many other people here know it a lot better than I, but I'm pretty sure CBS will never, ever give permission. So in some sense, yes, they are just collecting money and shooting CBS's property. However, I also bet that some outfits do have some informal communication with CBS to try to get some sense of what CBS may or may not let them do specifically. However, for all the reasons that people have mentioned in the big Axanar thread, CBS is not going to give formal guidelines. And they certainly will not give any formal permissions.

I think some form of communication would be an ethical choice to make when doing it, especially when he/she was part of or involved in the property. It's bad procedure to follow through on a project as large as these current running things, and not have some form of contact with CBS.
Exeter was run by real fans who loved Star Trek, and did a nice job, and some professionals gave a helping hand, and that's fine. But the stuff I'm seeing now... Geez, are looking like some slick avenue to get work outside of the Hollywood unions. There's something unethical about professionals making films based on a major studios' property... and when caught they make a poor attempt to act as if they were amateurs; and didn't know they were doing something wrong.

 

[JD]

I think some of the bigger productions like New Voyages and Continues have had some unofficial contact with CBS and Paramount. Hell, James Cawley, one of the main people behind NV, was given a role in the first JJ Abrams movie.
I've never seen anything from any of the people involved with New Voyages, Continues, or Renegades that would make me think they aren't passionate Trek fans.

People probably aren't worried about STC pulling an Axanar with the money. They're probably worried about CBS deciding to shut STC down after all and thus having their donation be essentially wasted.

I really think this is what's going on. Axanar has made a lot of people nervous about the future of fan films in general.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

This is why I hope the fiAxo ends sooner than later. Every public statement from Alec Peters probably inclines people to believe he could keep pushing CBS until they "go nuclear" and shut down all fan films.

 

[9gs]

This is why I hope the fiAxo ends sooner than later. Every public statement from Alec Peters probably inclines people to believe he could keep pushing CBS until they "go nuclear" and shut down all fan films.

Unfortunately there maybe some "intent" there. "If i can't have it no one else can either"

 

[Warped9]

Unfortunately there maybe some "intent" there. "If i can't have it no one else can either"

Given his personality and behaviour I can easily see this. CBS clamping down on all other fan productions would give AP exactly what he wants. And if they don't then AP can indulge in feeling unjustly persecuted.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

This is why I now really don't want AP to get what he wants in any way, shape, or form. His feeling persecuted is the best result we can hope for.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Incidentally, STC has put Vic's Synthaholics interview up on their Facebook page and it's getting good reactions already. Best to get these issues out of the anxiety closet and into the open.

 

[Warped9]

They have finally nudged over $150,000. Can they make another $10,000 in the next week?

 

[9gs]

They have finally nudged over $150,000. Can they make another $10,000 in the next week?

Are they "tapped" out on new rewards? I would like a women of STC T-shirt for my wife to go with mine (hint, hint).