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Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

Oh, I think it would have been fun to see a Crossfield or Walker class ship in the Museum too. But yeah, seeing all the old nostalgic ships was a lot of fun. :)

Side-note: I wonder what the 2375 Defiant did after the war ended that warranted being sent to the Fleet Museum?
It was the "Ship of teh Sisko". What more can you ask for?


We never saw inside the museum (spacedock) and we know that can hold several starship at least!
Hopefully that's coming, at least in episode 10.
 
It was the "Ship of teh Sisko". What more can you ask for?



Hopefully that's coming, at least in episode 10.

Arguably the Defiant was the most prominent ship, despite being...very smol (sorry Worf) in many Dominion War engagements.

The E-A, Bounty, Q-1, Excelsior and NX-01 arguably are the most logical additions there.

Stargazer..sure..Picards ship, ship of the "Picard Maneuver"..but otherwise just a normal Constellation Class starship.
 
Arguably the Defiant was the most prominent ship, despite being...very smol (sorry Worf) in many Dominion War engagements.

The E-A, Bounty, Q-1, Excelsior and NX-01 arguably are the most logical additions there.

Stargazer..sure..Picards ship, ship of the "Picard Maneuver"..but otherwise just a normal Constellation Class starship.
We can't limit our imagination on these things to simply what we've seen on TV and in movies. It's a great big Federation and no doubt there were other ships and crews that did historic things.

Sure, some of them are more or less random (USS New Jersey NCC-1975 is someone's birth state & year). At least they filled out the part of the museum we've seen so far, quite nicely in fact.
 
Nope. That's an urban myth.

No one from production, not even Gene said the Enterprise-A was a renamed Yorktown.
On the conrary, production sources DO make the E-A/Yorktown connection.
According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia (4th ed., vol. 2, p. 509), "Roddenberry reportedly suggested the second USS Enterprise-A, launched at the end of Star Trek IV, had previously been named USS Yorktown since it seemed unlikely that Starfleet could have built a new Enterprise so quickly. If this was the case, the Yorktown may have made it safely back to Earth and been repaired and renamed, or perhaps there was a newer, replacement Yorktown already under construction at the time of the probe crisis." The latter scenario could be supported by dialogue from Star Trek V where the Enterprise is described as a "new ship" by Scotty, whereas the former scenario serves as a convenient rationale for the difficulties Scotty had of getting the apparently recently refitted ship (therefore also fitting his "new ship" remark, akin to a similar remark Will Decker had already made on the refit-Enterprise in Star Trek: The Motion Picture) back in operational order after the debilitating effects the Whale Probe had inflicted on it.

The season four internal studio document, Star Trek: The Next Generation Writers' Technical Manual (2nd ed. p. 6), co-written by Star Trek Encyclopedia Co-Author Michael Okuda, emphatically stated the renaming scenario as being the case, reiterated in its one year later released Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual spinoff publication and reaffirmed in the even later officially licensed Star Trek Fact Files and the 2010 reference book USS Enterprise Owners' Workshop Manual. This was further validated when, in later Star Trek Encyclopedias, Okuda described the 2293 Yorktown – the one Tuvok's father served on – as the second ship to bear the name....

fanon, the official franchise, and the above mentioned production staffers have all alike firmly embraced the 23rd century ship as being the "SS Yorktown (NCC-1717), Constitution-class", as was amply demonstrated when the British, officially licensed, partwork publication Star Trek: The Official Starships Collection from Eaglemoss Collections, released a convention-exclusive model of the ship as such in 2016. Incidentally, in the wake of the franchise's 2002 re-evalution of the older reference books written from an in-universe perspective, only The Next Generation Technical Manual, Star Trek Chronology and the Encyclopedia were retained as "official" – as in compliance with established (onscreen) canon. (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 2, Issue 11, p. 71) All subsequent licensed in-universe reference works, such as the above-mentioned ones, needed henceforth to be in concordance with the information contained within these three works, which played a major part in the growing acceptance – even by the franchise itself, as stated – that it was indeed the USS Yorktown NCC-1717 that became the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A, even though a formal onscreen canon confirmation has as of 2019 yet to materialize.
Memory Alpha, citing various production sources
 
I think the difference is that the Enterprise-A = Rechristened Yorktown wasn't explicitly stated in any on screen material.

But it is worth noting that it's said that rechristening a ship to a new name is bad luck..

And it cannot be said the Enterprise-A didn't run into a massive ration of bad luck from Day 1 until TUC.
 
Gonna say something controversial... I don't think the Defiant should be in the fleet museum. To glorify a warship, just doesn't seem very "Federation".

I love the ship and it of course deserves mention in history books, but to put a warship on a pedestal, to me, kinda goes against what the Federation stands for.

It should almost be thought tragic that Starfleet had to resort to making a dedicated warship.

But that's me.
 
Museums are examples of historical events and their significance. Doesn't automatically convey glory.
Fair enough. I guess it could also be that the Federation of the late 24th/early 25th cenutry isn't so gun-shy about warships. Between the Defiant, the Prometheus, and the Inquiry class starships, Starfleet has definitely taken a step back from the moral high ground of "no warships."
 
Fair enough. I guess it could also be that the Federation of the late 24th/early 25th cenutry isn't so gun-shy about warships. Between the Defiant, the Prometheus, and the Inquiry class starships, Starfleet has definitely taken a step back from the moral high ground of "no warships."
I mean, they suffered intense losses. It would be even more bass ackwards and crazy to not recall it and not learn something from it.
 
I mean, they suffered intense losses. It would be even more bass ackwards and crazy to not recall it and not learn something from it.
That makes me wonder, did the Dominion War cause even more culture shock then the Romulan War? I mean, I'm sure the number of deaths were far greater during the Dominion War, but that was because it was pretty much the "World War Alpha Quadrant."

But on the more personal level of Earth vs. Romulus, it had to cause one hell of a panic on Earth, especially after the whole "Xindi thing."

Didn't DS9 mention that Earth itself was attacked during the Rom War? So we know it must have got pretty dicey. But Earth/The Federation managed to come through it without becoming all "hawkish". They were still all about exploring. Star Trek Beyond even kinda hinted that the more, we'll say right leaning, hardened veterans of the war felt somewhat ostracized in the early days of the Federation.....

God I want a Romulan War series/movie/mini series.
 
Sisko(paraphrasing): "A war against these Changelings would be the kind of war that Earth hasn't seen since before the founding of the Federation!"

Now that line could mean World War III. It could mean the Earth-Romulan War. But I prefer to think the latter. The writers of DS9 knew that Earth and the Romulans fought a bloody war before the Federation even existed.
 
That makes me wonder, did the Dominion War cause even more culture shock then the Romulan War? I mean, I'm sure the number of deaths were far greater during the Dominion War, but that was because it was pretty much the "World War Alpha Quadrant."
I think it did not because of the casualties but because of the nature of the foe. To quote SF Debris "The Borg might turn your friends against you; the Dominion they might already have." The Federation, and Earth, are built around mutual trust and cooperation. Every facet, even computer security, is treated as a matter of trust. But now, you have a foe who could be your friend. It damages a society to be that paranoid.

Also, similarly, you have a use of ground troops on a scale the Federation hadn't faced in a while. I think all of this takes a toll.
 
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