Spoilers Stargirl - Season One Discussion Thread

[Mr. Adventure]

I think my point is that Courtney is about 16 years old. That's a HUGE difference between 16 and 9. At age 9 I also knew Superman but couldn't name a Beatle. I wasn't that into music. I didn't even start much with current music until I was about 11, and oldies came a little later. But by 16, I definitely knew the Beatles. I had HEARD of the Beatles at 9, but couldn't name one.

Well, I was just making conversation. My initial point is you would think everyone would've heard of real superheroes in the recent past, Christopher was making the point that some young people hadn't even heard of the Beatles which I think is a false equivalence (however cute it is to equate the Beatles with superheroes).

 

[Christopher]

Well, I was just making conversation. My initial point is you would think everyone would've heard of real superheroes in the recent past, Christopher was making the point that some young people hadn't even heard of the Beatles which I think is a false equivalence (however cute it is to equate the Beatles with superheroes).

I never claimed it had to be an exact equivalence -- you took my subsequent joke way too literally and mistook it for my actual point. It was just an example. People can be ignorant of a startling number of things that seem like basic knowledge to other people. Like the time in the '90s when I went out to Hollywood to pitch for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and mentioned to the cousin I was staying with that I hoped to pitch for Voyager too. We were well into the conversation before I realized that he had no idea that the shows I mentioned were part of the same franchise. He actually worked in the film/TV industry, but he was totally unfamiliar with Star Trek, or at least its spinoffs.

So I've long since gotten over the assumption that it's unlikely for someone to be ignorant of something I take for granted. Especially when it comes to American teenagers' ignorance of recent history. When I was in school, my history education tended to stop decades short of the present.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Well, I was just making conversation. My initial point is you would think everyone would've heard of real superheroes in the recent past, Christopher was making the point that some young people hadn't even heard of the Beatles which I think is a false equivalence (however cute it is to equate the Beatles with superheroes).

I hear you. Young people can be very ignorant, but not THAT ignorant. Whenever someone says, "that movie was before my time," I ask them if they ever saw "Wizard of Oz." When they say yes, I explain that no movie is before their time.

But in a world like this, I could see the point that superheroes would be more famous than just about anyone but the President.

I think this show could benefit from more world building. Why would the ISA really disappear after they win the final battle? Where are the other superheroes of this world? They do exist after all, since we see one of them chilling as a janitor.

Shining Knight can't be all that's left.

Is there a Justice League on this world? Is there a Superman? If so, is he a colleague of the JSA as he was in the comics' Earth 2, or is he decades later and just coming around in the aftermath of the JSA's disappearance?

Are there other villain groups? You would think there are.

There's no reason all characters we know couldn't be fair game.

Except of course studio stuff.

 

[FPAlpha]

Damn that show got DARK!

I mean they already went to places a teenager, family friendly show usually won't go with all the deaths but another teenager dead and killed by his psychopathic father no less?

Wow.

The family drama fizzled out quite fast didn't it - first she's pissed and now she's doing research of her own and helping Pat? That was faster than i even expected but oh well.

Really good episode, some good action choreography (though showing Courtney's sudden premier, Arrow level, close combat skills is kinda.. far out there ) - once again a very entertaining episode.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Brainwave is exceptionally good at reinforcing iron bars. These kids really need to have a f'n plan someday. Still nice to see something approaching human reaction to the things that are happening.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Cindy is my spirit animal.

"Daddy! Daddy! Let me kill her Daddy!"

 

[StCoop]

I'm amazed that I almost passed on watching this series because I thought it would be too much of a kids show. Thank you Covid for making me desperate for stuff to watch to fill up all that extra time at home.

 

[thribs]

Good episode but I saw that twist about her death coming a mile off. They’ll probably mind wash Brainwave Jr. now if he’s still alive.
The email scene was a bit silly as emails don’t work like that. They don’t just open up and have a “click me here to read” button. That usually means it’s spam when so.

 

[Kirk Prime]

The big question I have is how Courtney got so good at fighting. Who taught her? Miyagi?

Or does having a staff in your hand make all people brilliant fighters? Certainly happened to Gabrielle on Xena. I can accept the flips and gymnastic ability, but she wielded that staff like she was born with it and fought her whole life, when that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[FPAlpha]

The big question I have is how Courtney got so good at fighting. Who taught her? Miyagi?

Or does having a staff in your hand make all people brilliant fighters? Certainly happened to Gabrielle on Xena. I can accept the flips and gymnastic ability, but she wielded that staff like she was born with it and fought her whole life, when that doesn't seem to be the case.

Comic book movies/TV shows - best not to think too hard about realism. Luke became a 2/3 Jedi by spending what felt like a weekend on Dagobah with Yoda (or else the Millenium Falcon travelled at sublight speeds for months or years to reach Bespin )

 

[The Realist]

Comic book movies/TV shows - best not to think too hard about realism.

Efforts at "realism" are more often than not counterproductive to the genre.

Court is an accomplished gymnast. That's all the handwave you're gonna get for how she can suddenly kick ass like Bruce Lee. And that's fine by me.

 

[Christopher]

Comic book movies/TV shows - best not to think too hard about realism. Luke became a 2/3 Jedi by spending what felt like a weekend on Dagobah with Yoda (or else the Millenium Falcon travelled at sublight speeds for months or years to reach Bespin )

That kind of narrative shortcut is by no means limited to SF/fantasy. How often in 24 did characters drive, fly, or walk farther in a fraction of an hour than it would be physically possible to do in reality? Speed-of-plot writing is a constant regardless of genre.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I would add in that Dragon Kings minions are zombies (we don't know exactly what they are) so they might be as effective as 19666 Batman villains.

And just because Dr. ITO has a katana doesn't make him a samurai.

Also i am sure Jr. Used his powers to make a shield himself. We will see the result by the finale. But they pretty much pushed Jr. Into hero territory... was hoping Cameron would be that guy.

And as a married man I can testify that her initial reaction and seeming 180 seems pretty "normal"

 

[JD]

Wow, Henry Jr.'s death was a huge shock, I did not expect to see such a major character die so soon. This just didn't seem like that kind of show.
I was a little surprised how well Courtney handled herself without the staff, I had assumed most of the fighting skills she had came from the staff.
The choreography for the the fight at the ISA hideout was pretty good, although there were a couple times you could tell they were swinging about six feet away from each other.
We also finally got to see what Dragon King looks like without his hood. I wonder if we're ever going to learn exactly what he did to turn himself into a lizard.
Have they revealed yet what exactly his minions are? From the way they act, they don't seem to be normal humans.
The reveal that Brainwave killed his wife, and not Icicle was another shocker.
I can't remember, are Yolanda and the others aware that Cindy was the one who shared the pictures with everyone, not Henry? Henry did show them to his buddies, so he was definitely still an asshole, just not quite as massive as Cindy.
It should be very interesting to see what exactly they reveal about Courtney's father next week.

 

[Christopher]

I can't remember, are Yolanda and the others aware that Cindy was the one who shared the pictures with everyone, not Henry? Henry did show them to his buddies, so he was definitely still an asshole, just not quite as massive as Cindy.

I'm not sure that's even the case, despite how it appeared. After all, Henry Jr. was talking to Yolanda as if he was responsible after all. He didn't try to explain that Cindy did it. Maybe he feels guilty for letting her get access to the pictures, but that's not the way it seemed. I'm not sure how that thread's going to play out.

 

[Marc]

Have they revealed yet what exactly his minions are? From the way they act, they don't seem to be normal humans.

think they mentioned the first time we saw Dr Ito that it takes him 2 weeks to condition his minions (hence being unhappy when Cindy knocked them off).

So they are probably everyday people until he gets this claws on them.

 

[Morpheus 02]

A couple thoughts...

I think Henry Jr. is alive. He just shielded himself when it dropped. No body , no death. (As opposed to Mrs. Icicle).

Regarding Yolandas pictures...he might not know exactly how they got out...but he was directly responsible for having them made in the first place and showed them to SOMEONE.

 

[FPAlpha]

A couple thoughts...

I think Henry Jr. is alive. He just shielded himself when it dropped. No body , no death. (As opposed to Mrs. Icicle).

Regarding Yolandas pictures...he might not know exactly how they got out...but he was directly responsible for having them made in the first place and showed them to SOMEONE.

Well.. naked selfies came up well past my teenage years so i don't know how common that is between young couples but calling him responsible might not be the right word. He was her boyfriend at the time, unknown if he liked her actually or it was the trap trope that is sp prevalent in teenage comedies where the jock becomes the boyfriend with the intention to humiliate the girl.

Some else mentioned also the possibility of Cindy actually sending out the pictures from his phone (can't remember the exact details from the flashback scene during Yolanda's speech) but it depends if him being buried under the debris is a "comicbook" death or if he's actually dead - that storyline might be done if it's the latter or picked up if it was a twist death and he comes in to save the group during the big battle.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well.. naked selfies came up well past my teenage years so i don't know how common that is between young couples but calling him responsible might not be the right word. He was her boyfriend at the time, unknown if he liked her actually or it was the trap trope that is sp prevalent in teenage comedies where the jock becomes the boyfriend with the intention to humiliate the girl.

Some else mentioned also the possibility of Cindy actually sending out the pictures from his phone (can't remember the exact details from the flashback scene during Yolanda's speech) but it depends if him being buried under the debris is a "comicbook" death or if he's actually dead - that storyline might be done if it's the latter or picked up if it was a twist death and he comes in to save the group during the big battle.

I think it was an episode of Girls (That "comedy" with Lena Dunham), when one of the Girls sees on her boyfriends phone that the only Porn he has is her. She gave him the pictures but she expected that he was just being "nice" asking for pictures of her, and amazed that there is no other porn on his a phone.

"I'm the only person you jerk off to?"

"All the women in porn are strung out on heroin sex slaves, I don't find exploitation sexy and I will not support that hideous industry."

 

[Christopher]

but it depends if him being buried under the debris is a "comicbook" death or if he's actually dead - that storyline might be done if it's the latter or picked up if it was a twist death and he comes in to save the group during the big battle.

Yeah... Given his telekinetic powers, it's possible he held off the debris with a force field.