Spoilers Stargirl - Season One Discussion Thread
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Hmm, you might be onto something. I did initially suspect that the texts from "Henry" asking for the photos were actually from Cindy, but if that were the case, why show Cindy taking his phone later? They wouldn't have put it in the sequence if it didn't serve a purpose. I suppose it's possible that it was misdirection, to leave it unclear to us whether Henry or Cindy was to blame.
Utterly untrue. The reason the other versions appeared in media more is because Morrison's version was a very "mature readers" take that wouldn't have fit cartoons like Teen Titans or Batman: B&B. But it was absolutely the most acclaimed version among comic fans. Look at which Doom Patrol runs actually had trades available and how available those trades were and that fact should be apparent. It was the less well-known version *outside* comic fandom (to whatever extent any version of Doom Patrol can be considered well-known; we're talking marginal difference here), and you don't have to like it -- I've only read snippets of it here and there so I have no opinion -- but to call it barely remembered pre-2016 is absurd.
Let's see:
The Pollack run: Absolutely more Morrison-influenced.
The Arcudi run: The only character it shared with either the original OR Morrison versions is Robotman, so it doesn't lean in favor of either. It's its own thing.
The Byrne run: Absolutely based on the original, but a run everyone hated.
The Giffen/Clark run: Kept Morrison's characterization of the Chief. Used the original line-up, but also included Danny the Street and Crazy Jane and the big bad was a new version of Mr. Nobody. Every bit as Morrison-influenced as the TV show, I'd say.
Nah, I don't think you're right on this one.
And as for how closely Larry looks like his comic version, well, let's remember that this is what he looked like when the show came out: https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/doom-patrol-11-derrington.jpg
One aspect I'm not liking is that this is getting rather repetitive. Isn't this whole "villains working behind the scenes to undermine and destroy a community then build a new one to their liking" premise basically just like The Undertaking from season 1 of Arrow as well as Damien Darhk's Genesis project in season 4? Seems to be a recurring theme in Berlanti shows.
The trope has been in use since long before Berlanti. It's a natural enough premise to use in season-arc storytelling, since you need the villains to be a continuous presence not defeated until the end of the season, a format that lends itself to hidden conspiracies. We saw it in Buffy the Vampire Slayer with the evil mayor, for example.
It's also a pretty logical premise for a show about a teen superhero. If the authorities were legitimate and trustworthy, surely you'd expect them to take care of the crisis rather than needing an inexperienced 15-year-old to lead the charge. Then there's the allegorical aspect -- in a story about teenagers, of course they'll have to deal with teachers and parents as authority figures, and if you make the teenagers superheroes, it's natural enough to make those authority figures the villains.
And this show is more Geoff Johns's baby anyway; I gather it closely adapts his storylines from the Stargirl comics.
I never said it wasn't. But it's getting so much use in Berlanti shows that it's becoming almost an Arrowverse cliche. There are so many secret organizations scheming in these shows that one could almost expect competing evil plots to come into conflict.
I'd say, rather, that it's a cliche of season-arc storytelling. Like I said, the format lends itself to conspiracy-based plotlines.
Only the broad strokes. The ISA and JSA weren't really a part of the comic and Courtney didn't have any potential superfriends .
I'm confused. In the first episode, Henry is mercilessly teasing Yolanda in the cafeteria, calling her a "slut." But in the flashback in this last episode, he looks sad when she's shattered as well as later when he bumps into her in the hallway. Which is it? Cruel SOB or sympathetic ex? Seems rather schizophrenic.
Peer pressure is a thing.
I never read the comic, but it would have taken only a brief look at Courtney Whitmore's Wikipedia article to see that virtually everything in the comic is different from the show.
Blue Valley, superhero stepdad, neophyte hero and something sinister happening in town are the main borrows from the comic.
Yes, exactly. When I was in school, it was fashionable to bully me, so there was a kid who acted friendly toward me when we were alone but joined in abusing me when he was with a group. He couldn't openly side with me without bringing the bullies' wrath down on himself.
I see that Jakeem (Thunder) got a name drop this episode, so I'm guessing they're setting up an appearance at some point where he and Mike sneak into Courtney's room and he takes the pen. How the writers are going to get him to click on the pen and say, 'So cool ' is going to be interesting to watch.
Also of note is the Fiddler, although this appears to be the legacy version who goes by the name 'Virtuoso', and Dr. Ito or should I say 'Dragon King'.
I think I know what the producers did here; Dr. Ito was a character who appeared in Action Comics in the forties fighting against Americommando.
Dragon King was a character created by Roy Thomas during his run on 'All-Star Squadron', and could be seen as an updated version of Dr. Ito.
Since Dragon King was never unmasked and never named, the producers went ahead and combined elements of both.
Also of note is the Fiddler, although this appears to be the legacy version who goes by the name 'Virtuoso', and Dr. Ito or should I say 'Dragon King'.
I think I know what the producers did here; Dr. Ito was a character who appeared in Action Comics in the forties fighting against Americommando.
Dragon King was a character created by Roy Thomas during his run on 'All-Star Squadron', and could be seen as an updated version of Dr. Ito.
Since Dragon King was never unmasked and never named, the producers went ahead and combined elements of both.
I thought it was "Cei-U" ("Say, you"). Did they change it?
The show is essentially spending this season doing introductions and setting itself up for future seasons. Obviously, they are creating a new JSA. I just wish they didn't kill off the original one to make this happen. I like the idea of the originals serving as mentors and no longer doing what they do because they aged out. The two exceptions could have been Alan Scott and Jay Garrick, who don't age due to their special powers.
What I don't like is that we are seeing a pattern of the costume being the source of powers, not the people. Wildcat was just a guy who was a great boxer. He was more like Batman. While I have no issue with the costume having tech, it shouldn't suddenly give someone such abilities.
However, I did like Yolanda a lot, and I know she actually DOES have powers in the comics, unlike Ted. I just wish they established that it was her, not the suit.
I don't believe that Sylvester is Courtney's dad. I know he isn't in the comics, but I don't know if they will change that for this show. I get why they are doing that, but it seems like a misdirection. This is a more interesting version of Rey's origin on Star Wars.
I enjoyed the scene where Yolanda begged for her parents' forgiveness. It's clear that her parents' values raised a very good person, but parents are also not perfect. Their inability to see that Yolanda, while she made a very stupid mistake, was a victim too. The lesson she learned was harsh because had she not sent the picture, she wouldn't have been humiliated, but the spreading of that picture was a new level of cruel.
I wish they were a little more clear as to how the picture was shared. Was it Henry? He seemed to be protective of the phone. BUT, he also ended up dating the rival, and given that he's a bit of a dick, he may have been complicit. Either way, they are both horrible people and deserve their comeuppance at some point.
I liked the scene where the parents didn't forgive because the parents were so wrong. There comes a point where even justified anger must be let go--at least in a circumstance like this one. I think Yolanda more than paid for her part in that disaster. Her parents did a good enough job that Yolanda is a good person. But sadly, in a situation like this, they will lose their daughter.
What I don't like is that we are seeing a pattern of the costume being the source of powers, not the people. Wildcat was just a guy who was a great boxer. He was more like Batman. While I have no issue with the costume having tech, it shouldn't suddenly give someone such abilities.
However, I did like Yolanda a lot, and I know she actually DOES have powers in the comics, unlike Ted. I just wish they established that it was her, not the suit.
I don't believe that Sylvester is Courtney's dad. I know he isn't in the comics, but I don't know if they will change that for this show. I get why they are doing that, but it seems like a misdirection. This is a more interesting version of Rey's origin on Star Wars.
I enjoyed the scene where Yolanda begged for her parents' forgiveness. It's clear that her parents' values raised a very good person, but parents are also not perfect. Their inability to see that Yolanda, while she made a very stupid mistake, was a victim too. The lesson she learned was harsh because had she not sent the picture, she wouldn't have been humiliated, but the spreading of that picture was a new level of cruel.
I wish they were a little more clear as to how the picture was shared. Was it Henry? He seemed to be protective of the phone. BUT, he also ended up dating the rival, and given that he's a bit of a dick, he may have been complicit. Either way, they are both horrible people and deserve their comeuppance at some point.
I liked the scene where the parents didn't forgive because the parents were so wrong. There comes a point where even justified anger must be let go--at least in a circumstance like this one. I think Yolanda more than paid for her part in that disaster. Her parents did a good enough job that Yolanda is a good person. But sadly, in a situation like this, they will lose their daughter.
Changed when Jakeem got the genie.
Jakeem's genie is actually a merged form of the original Thunderbolt and another. This new genie is controlled by the phrase "So Cul" or "So Cool."
Hmm, I guess that makes sense. Language has evolved, and people don't start sentences with "Say" as much as they did in the '40s. (Though it could still work if the Thunderbolt's bearer liked to sing classic song lyrics like "You say you want a revolution" or "Say you, say me.")
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