Stargate: Universe is what Voyager should've been like

[Guy Gardener]

I doubt it was... Possibly an underhanded slap at Bakula's choices... but in the final season of Enterprise, it was "revealed" during one of the Aug.... SUPERMEN (pussies, they were called Supermen in the 60s to mock the Nazi party ideal, but it's too risky to do the same in 2004 because it's possible that idiots won't understand sarcasm?) ...Henry Archer had a genetic ( and possibly congenital) disease which induced "early onset dementia". It wasn't said but I speculated that it was the ranting of a crazy person which framed most of Archer vehement bigotry towards the Vulcans in the first season (retroactively).

But if you just look at Desperate Housewives now and then (Paul Young) you wonder how "that guy" could ever be anything but the monster of all fathers.

 

[exodus]

Speaking of Archer. Could he have been bi-polar? I don't mean to complain about the character, but there were times where he'd be smiling one moment, yelling the next, then looking like he was about to cry. I don't think it was the actor, as I've seen him in other things where he didn't do that. Was it the direction? I know in stage theater we'd be given directions like "You need to sound more angry" or more distressed, etc.

It would be a very bad decision to give the first Starfleet vessel to someone bi-polar and then send them out into the galaxy to make contact with other species.

 

[Kaziarl]

Indeed it would. That was part of the amusement I had while typing the idea.

But like I said, I wasn't trying to complain about Archer. I liked Enterprise actually. Just found it funny and I hope others did as well

 

[Freman]

Stargate: Universe is what Voyager should've been like

Oh, you mean cancelled after two seasons?

 

[Saquist]

Stargate: Universe is what Voyager should've been like

Oh, you mean cancelled after two seasons?

The Romulan in me enjoyed that immensely.

 

[Rojixus]

I HATE Stargate Universe

 

[Lynx]

I HATE Stargate Universe

Me too. The worst SF-series I've ever watched.

By the way, what's that logo in your avatar? Looks Klingon in some way.

 

[Anwar]

It's the Duchy of Zeon, isn't it?

 

[ClayHefner]

Voyager had a flawed premise

- ship and crew were too small- and for no good reason too
- Maquis thing was pointless and a wasted opportunity to really have some interesting rag-tag crew with civilians and former enemies working together

but in many ways, they did a good job with what they had. I always thought RDM's criticism regarding continuity was a bit off.

I mean this was after TNG. They got replicators. Space is full of energy sources. It just wouldn't make sense for them to constantly have to look for fuel and stuff or having a burnt out bridge for two episodes. This is the era where ships clean themselves and Geordi makes a warp drive out of a dilithium fragment and Wes's homework.
It might have been cool if they had bought alien shuttlecraft and stuff or replaced part of the ship with alien tech. But would it have been plausible in the post-TNG era to have them locked in some perpetual struggle for survival?

With a "survival" premise, and the flawed small ship/150 people crew thingy, this would have become some poor man's BSG anyway. VOY wasn't trying to be like BSG, they wanted to make a continuation of TNG's formula, but in a new territory to keep it interesting. And that's what they did well for the most part.

Moore is of course spot-on regarding the technobabble issue- and also Seven.

 

[Anwar]

Oh, come on. Seven is no more worse than Six from NuBSG or the naked Cylons as well. Or Leeta and the Dabo girls from DS9, or damn near every other "sexy" sci-fi woman.

The ship WAS too small, it should've been a Heavy Cruiser or something.

Or hell, why not have them just find an alien starship on the Caretaker's Array and they escape in THAT? It would give them technologies and advantages that a Fleet ship wouldn't have, and fuel better stories of them investigating their new ship.

 

[ClayHefner]

I just think they should have gone all the way made Seven some real man-eater. She was more like a drone when she could also have had some qualities of a former Borg Queen aspirant.

I still think it was a good choice to have a Starfleet ship at that point. DS9 had already been some alien structure and it was alright to have some genuine Starfleet environment we all loved from TNG.

But it sure could have been interesting to have an alien vessel. They could have scrapped the whole Caretaker/Ocampa stuff and given us some Iconian/First Federation/T'Kon/whatever ship with huge opportunities.

 

[Anwar]

Just have Janeway being transported to a Starbase on a transport with some captured Maquis (or hell, just random terrorists) when the ship gets pulled to the Array. Turns out the Caretaker is a crazy zookeeper/species collector who wants to collect alien species from all over the Galaxy and experiment on them in the Ocampa city (he and his mate deliberately ruined their world and built their city to use them as test subjects before she got tired of this and left).

Turns out the Caretaker is dying of some disease and snuffs it right on the spot, but not before he activates an unstoppable self-destruct sequence. Since they can't understand his technology, Janeway and the others just swipe the first automated ship they can find and flee the Array as it blows up. The Kazon decide that if they couldn't get their hands on the Array they'll take the ship instead (it's origins unknown) and chase them for that reason.

 

[ClayHefner]

I certainly would have watched that. But replace Kazon with someone else and make the caretaker an Iconian.

Also, I think while the VOY Borg episodes (most of them anyway) were good in my opinion, I wish some of RDM's ideas for the Cylons could have been used to great effect with Borg on a Star Trek series- combined with the good ideas that VOY brought to the table.

... maybe it would have been interesting if they had used a f'in BORG CUBE as the main vessel and something like scorpion as the pilot episode...

 

[froot]

I certainly would have watched that. But replace Kazon with someone else and make the caretaker an Iconian.

Also, I think while the VOY Borg episodes (most of them anyway) were good in my opinion, I wish some of RDM's ideas for the Cylons could have been used to great effect with Borg on a Star Trek series- combined with the good ideas that VOY brought to the table.

... maybe it would have been interesting if they had used a f'in BORG CUBE as the main vessel and something like scorpion as the pilot episode...

That woulda been a BIG set.

 

[Anwar]

Eh, I'd just have the Borg all be destroyed by the 8472 in "Scorpion" then and there. They're too boring for more than one or two stories, that's why TNG only ever used the actual Collective twice.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Janeways job, as a Starfleet Officer, wasn't to destroy the collective it was to assimilate them, just like Sisko did with the Cardassians, and Picard with the Romulans (nearly, missed by an inch.) and Kirk with the Klingons.

Humans build communities.

It's all in that play from Muse.

Make love not war.

 

[Anwar]

It would be a better story for them to stumble across the 8472/Borg war, with the Borg being totally destroyed (or the survivors immediately fleeing to another Galaxy) and the 8472 returning to their home dimension after VOY hits them with the nano-weapons (which terrifies them to the extent they run away and never come back).

Then the destruction of the Collective becomes the focus of the show as we see how this vacuum affects the DQ's workings.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Small children, squires, used to be paid to wander through the feudal killing fields and finish off all the unhorsed and wounded knights, taking their "jewellery" and coin in the process.

It's shit work for those with no honour mopping after a noble battle.

(Relatively speaking.)

It's almost like you're trying to make me think even less than Janeway as a Starfleet officer than I already do.

 

[Anwar]

Isn't that what folks wanted from VOY in the first place? For them to stop acting like Starfleet Offices and become random space bums/pirates/vagabonds?

 

[ClayHefner]

... and it would have been terrible. I didn't need any more "Chakotay punches crewman X in the face" scenes.

I personally thought the having Borg as enemies was a great idea though.

The Borg are like the perfect adversary for their situation , since they can always be around, no matter how big distances Voyager travels. The Borg Queens can just be cloned at the cubes the crew encounters (and they got Transwarp anyway), the hive mind could always affect Seven from many lightyears away etc.