starfleet uniform

[FordSVT]

^If people don't recognize hospital scrubs when they see them they are retarded.

. . . I would lean towards a diagnosis of mood-disorder with manic episodes, hebephrenic schizophrenia or histrionic personality disorder.

Those are awfully different diagnoses. Manic episodes? From wearing a fictional uniform? And I hadn't heard "hebephrenic" in a decade. Schizophrenic?? For wearing a fictional uniform? Hopefully when you are no longer a student you will not diagnose people with only one eccentricity on which to base your judgement. Also, of course, when you are practicing, you will know it is unethical to make (very disparate) diagnoses of a person you do not know, via a public Star Trek forum. Perhaps ethics don't yet apply, since you are still a layperson, but be aware you are talking about real people here.

Also, denigrating the mentally retarded is not becoming a medical professional.

I'm not sure if you are trying to be funny or trying to be serious, but no one here was making fun of any specific individual, and no one here was making a serious medical diagnosis.

And people who don't recognize a person coming from or going to work in scrubs are retarded. <---- There, I said it again. That's not a medical opinion, it's an expression of stupidity.

Retarded:

1. Affected with mental retardation.
2. Occurring or developing later than desired or expected; delayed.
3. Having only a limited ability to learn and understand.
4. Stupid or unintelligent. Derogatory.

Explain to me again why I'm not allowed to use this word?

 

[Jefferies]

^If people don't recognize hospital scrubs when they see them they are retarded.

. . . I would lean towards a diagnosis of mood-disorder with manic episodes, hebephrenic schizophrenia or histrionic personality disorder.

Those are awfully different diagnoses. Manic episodes? From wearing a fictional uniform? And I hadn't heard "hebephrenic" in a decade. Schizophrenic?? For wearing a fictional uniform? Hopefully when you are no longer a student you will not diagnose people with only one eccentricity on which to base your judgement. Also, of course, when you are practicing, you will know it is unethical to make (very disparate) diagnoses of a person you do not know, via a public Star Trek forum. Perhaps ethics don't yet apply, since you are still a layperson, but be aware you are talking about real people here.

Also, denigrating the mentally retarded is not becoming a medical professional.

Hebephrenic describes a subtype of schizophrenia that is categorized by thought disorder. You might not have heard it in 10 years but it is the valid label used in the current edition of the ICD10. In psychiatry people tend to use the DSMVI-TR which uses the name disorganized for the subtype. However, both are up to date ways of describing the illness.

If I were to encounter an individual that wears a Starfleet uniform in public continuously, without a logical reason, I would have to wonder about the psychological health of that person. My suspicion would be that one of the mentioned disorders might be the cause, as all of them could generate such extreme eccentric behaviour which would probably have a delusional basis such as “I’m a Starfleet officer and that is the reason I am wearing this uniform”. There could also be organic reasons of course that can cause delusional states. But the point is that such behaviour would be so abnormal that it would be no laughing matter at all and should raise concern from people that do encounter it.

 

[plynch]

Also, denigrating the mentally retarded is not becoming a medical professional.

I'm not sure if you are trying to be funny or trying to be serious, but no one here was making fun of any specific individual, and no one here was making a serious medical diagnosis.

And people who don't recognize a person coming from or going to work in scrubs are retarded. <---- There, I said it again. That's not a medical opinion, it's an expression of stupidity.
Explain to me again why I'm not allowed to use this word?

You are right that to use the word "retarded" in the context given is an "expression of stupidity."

NOW I am trying to be funny.

My apologies -- I misattributed your quote within someone else's quote. I thought you were the medical student (Jeffries), using "retarded" as an insult. He or she was merely quoting you.

We ALL, of course, are free to say what we want. But I stand by what I wrote that it would be unbecoming a medical professional to use "retarded" as a synonym for idiotic. Use it how you will.

 

[plynch]

Also, denigrating the mentally retarded is not becoming a medical professional.

My apologies, first of all -- you were merely quoting the guy who said, "retarded."

Hebephrenic describes a subtype of schizophrenia that is categorized by thought disorder. You might not have heard it in 10 years but it is the valid label used in the current edition of the ICD10. In psychiatry people tend to use the DSMVI-TR which uses the name disorganized for the subtype. However, both are up to date ways of describing the illness.

I am certainly familiar with the term, and its origin in meaning "childlike," which is why in psychiatry a more general though less descriptive term is used. Sometimes "childlike" would accurately describe schizophrenics with disorganized thinking; sometimes it would be amiss.

If I were to encounter an individual that wears a Starfleet uniform in public continuously, without a logical reason, I would have to wonder about the psychological health of that person. My suspicion would be that one of the mentioned disorders might be the cause, as all of them could generate such extreme eccentric behaviour which would probably have a delusional basis such as “I’m a Starfleet officer and that is the reason I am wearing this uniform”. There could also be organic reasons of course that can cause delusional states.

Whoa! Again, with the jumping to conclusions. Who said anything about delusions? Eccentric behavior does not imply delusions.

Aside from our differences I mean this next quite seriously and with all good intents: Be well in your studies. Being a Trekker implies a humanistic outlook, which is what we need in docs.

 

[jamestyler]

My suspicion would be that one of the mentioned disorders might be the cause, as all of them could generate such extreme eccentric behaviour which would probably have a delusional basis such as “I’m a Starfleet officer and that is the reason I am wearing this uniform”. There could also be organic reasons of course that can cause delusional states.

That would be an OTT analysis to me and woud be the last possible thought. Even then I'd only be concerned about their mental health if they tried to stun me then blamed 'radiation' for their phaser not firing. Then they'd run and I'd send the Navy to chase them.

If I see someone dressed up in uniform (you can even replace that with something like 'pirate') I don't automatically assume he's not running on all thrusters. I'm sure I'd think it was someone having fun, entertaining themselves, maybe just a huge geek.

However most people see would just see him as a loser.

 

[Rulius]

Hey thanks for the t shirt link.. those are great. heh

 

[Cmdr Sho]

Those are awfully different diagnoses. Manic episodes? From wearing a fictional uniform? And I hadn't heard "hebephrenic" in a decade. Schizophrenic?? For wearing a fictional uniform? Hopefully when you are no longer a student you will not diagnose people with only one eccentricity on which to base your judgement. Also, of course, when you are practicing, you will know it is unethical to make (very disparate) diagnoses of a person you do not know, via a public Star Trek forum. Perhaps ethics don't yet apply, since you are still a layperson, but be aware you are talking about real people here.

Also, denigrating the mentally retarded is not becoming a medical professional.

Hebephrenic describes a subtype of schizophrenia that is categorized by thought disorder. You might not have heard it in 10 years but it is the valid label used in the current edition of the ICD10. In psychiatry people tend to use the DSMVI-TR which uses the name disorganized for the subtype. However, both are up to date ways of describing the illness.

If I were to encounter an individual that wears a Starfleet uniform in public continuously, without a logical reason, I would have to wonder about the psychological health of that person. My suspicion would be that one of the mentioned disorders might be the cause, as all of them could generate such extreme eccentric behaviour which would probably have a delusional basis such as “I’m a Starfleet officer and that is the reason I am wearing this uniform”. There could also be organic reasons of course that can cause delusional states. But the point is that such behaviour would be so abnormal that it would be no laughing matter at all and should raise concern from people that do encounter it.

so here is what i think....

plynch, you are totally right on all accounts. who the heck has the right to diagnose me with just 3 simple posts. as for your diagnoses DR. you have no idea who i am or have any knowledge of my mental or physical medical history and has no bases in regards of me. i do take a great deal of offense to your posts DR. you should take plynch's advice and not do this sort of thing on public forums. I do see this as unethical. even if this is solely an opinon i still take offense to this.
as for the rest of you, i thank you for your input. although i would not wear it in a "work" enviorment, i would wear it anyother time in support of being a Trekkie just as much as anyone would wear a "sports" jersey.

also who really cares on what people think anyway. take a typical geek or nerd. a normal person would "label" him in the same context. there is nothing anyone can do to change what people think...

 

[urbandk]

so here is what i think....

plynch, you are totally right on all accounts. who the heck has the right to diagnose me with just 3 simple posts. as for your diagnoses DR. you have no idea who i am or have any knowledge of my mental or physical medical history and has no bases in regards of me. i do take a great deal of offense to your posts DR. you should take plynch's advice and not do this sort of thing on public forums. I do see this as unethical. even if this is solely an opinon i still take offense to this.
as for the rest of you, i thank you for your input. although i would not wear it in a "work" enviorment, i would wear it anyother time in support of being a Trekkie just as much as anyone would wear a "sports" jersey.

also who really cares on what people think anyway. take a typical geek or nerd. a normal person would "label" him in the same context. there is nothing anyone can do to change what people think...

I don't think anyone meant any offense to you. There is a difference between a Star Trek costume and a sports jersey. A Star Trek costume is just that, a costume, and to wear it on a regular occasion would be similar to dressing up like Count Dracula or a fairy princess on a day to day basis.

You're right: there's nothing wrong with that. When I was twenty, I died my hair white, wore nail polish, pink shirts, and wrote political messages on my arms. I considered myself punk rock and rebellious.

As much as I knew I was within my rights to look like this, I did open myself up to social opprobrium in certain situations. People would stare at me and make remarks. This look wasn't great at the gym, work, or when I went home and had to attend a Christmas church service.

Thus, if you decide to dress up in a costume every day, more power to you. We're all entitled to express ourselves however we see fit. It's even protected in our constitution. I remember feeling a rush of satisfaction in my rebellion.

But remember, as much of a "freak" as I looked like, there was still a group of people who respected and thought what I did was cool. There are lots of punk rockers and social nonconformists who were into my look.

I don't know that you'd have the same kind of support if you dressed in a Star Trek costume on a day to day basis. You might even attract negative attention from many Star Trek fans, especially the kind who want Star Trek's audience to grow.

Anyhow, have fun with your costume. I hope you'll post on here and share your exploits. What kind of costume is it anyways?

 

[john titor]

I wear a starfleet uniform most days. Other days I dress up like a Klingon. Nobody gives me hassle because I'm badass. I have several girlfriends too. Go figure.

 

[urbandk]

I wear a starfleet uniform most days. Other days I dress up like a Klingon. Nobody gives me hassle because I'm badass. I have several girlfriends too. Go figure.

wow, man, you're living the dream. do you drive a maserati too?

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Hey thanks for the t shirt link.. those are great. heh

No problem...they have a LOT of funny stuff there!

 

[jamestyler]

I wear a starfleet uniform most days. Other days I dress up like a Klingon. Nobody gives me hassle because I'm badass. I have several girlfriends too. Go figure.

I think I'd go for this approach and start KOing people. Even if they say nothing. Perks of being the bad guy.

 

[Cmdr Sho]

a blue voy uniform, and sometimes i would wear a yellow tng one...

it sounded like he was indirectly diagnosing me.

ya i think i will keep the forum posted on the exploits of my uniform wearing... though i wont use any props... i wont go to that extreme... what sort of stuff would you be interested in hearing about??

i wear it (so far) at school, but haven't had any negativity... a lot of people recognized the series that i don't think are into star trek... but that is kinda surprising for the small city i live in...

 

[urbandk]

ya i think i will keep the forum posted on the exploits of my uniform wearing... though i wont use any props... i wont go to that extreme... what sort of stuff would you be interested in hearing about??

dude. the funny stories. you know that if you wear a star trek uniform around, funny stories will happen.

personally, if i were to go for the star trek costume chic, i'd go strictly TOS kirk avocado wraparound tunic, with phaser.

that would be badass.

 

[john titor]

I wear a starfleet uniform most days. Other days I dress up like a Klingon. Nobody gives me hassle because I'm badass. I have several girlfriends too. Go figure.

wow, man, you're living the dream. do you drive a maserati too?

Actually I drive a Corvette or a 1987 4WD

 

[S'kai]

My car usually gets curious blank stares, or broad smiles. Occasionally, someone will freeze in their tracks (you can hear the conversation going on in their head between their eyeballs and the part of the cortex that assesses reality), and then they breakout laughing, or words like "Holy Mother of God . . ." come outta their mouth.

I drive this thing everyday. The only time I ever get looked at like I am crazy is at car shows. These Corvette owners are a tough audience. Still I have won a dozen trophies. I usually wear the uniform at car shows. It's part of the whole display.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

I wear a starfleet uniform most days. Other days I dress up like a Klingon. Nobody gives me hassle because I'm badass. I have several girlfriends too. Go figure.

wow, man, you're living the dream. do you drive a maserati too?

Actually I drive a Corvette or a 1987 4WD

I thought you drove a time machine?

You get that IBM 5100 yet?