Starfleet Academy Official Trailer

[fireproof78]

The fandom wants good trek.

I'm sorry. Who speaks for all of fandom? And who defines "good Star Trek"? Is that TWOK or TMP? Is that TNG or TOS? What about DS9?

What if I said that ST 2009 was good Star Trek because it illustrates an essential component of Kirk's character? Is that good Star Trek? How does the fandom speak?

You're new here, right?

It's the patently absurd argument that appeals to populism as though that is a measuring stick of "good."

 

[Michael]

When they drop something that looks like it was written by HR, trolled.

What the hell does that even mean?

 

[Nerys Myk]

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Picard, Season 3 official trailer. No trolling in the comments - or at least the top ones that I scrolled for a minute or two.

The fandom wants good trek. When they drop something that looks like it was made in the spirit of the franchise, everybody cheers. When they drop something that looks like it was written by HR, trolled.

One of worst seasons of Trek ever produced. I can see it's appeal to nostalgic Boomers and Xers, but "good" it's not. (Should I post that on YouTube?)

 

[Sn0man]

Who speaks for all of fandom?

Obviously it speaks for itself. What its saying can be gauged by the prevailing cultural response.

What makes "good" trek isn't entirely subjective. While everyone has their own particular flavor, its fair to say that all fans want intelligent writing, characters who solve problems through reason and diplomacy, a sense of optimism, and exploration of philosophical ideas.

I suppose you could argue that some fans want pew pew and flashing lights and explosions, but that's just action, not trek, and could be found anywhere else.

When a large portion of the fanbase reacts negatively, that means the creators have either strayed from those core principles, or the audience thinks they will - based on prior history.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Obviously it speaks for itself. What its saying can be gauged by the prevailing cultural response.

What makes "good" trek isn't entirely subjective. While everyone has their own particular flavor, its fair to say that all fans want intelligent writing, characters who solve problems through reason and diplomacy, a sense of optimism, and exploration of philosophical ideas.

I suppose you could argue that some fans want pew pew and flashing lights and explosions, but that's just action, not trek, and could be found anywhere else.

When a large portion of the fanbase reacts negatively, that means the creators have either strayed from those core principles, or the audience thinks they will - based on prior history.

Vocal isn't large.

 

[fireproof78]

Obviously it speaks for itself. What its saying can be gauged by the prevailing cultural response.

It does not.

What makes "good" trek isn't entirely subjective

Yes it is.

When a large portion of the fanbase reacts negatively, that means the creators have either strayed from those core principles, or the audience thinks they will - based on prior history.

It's a mistaken assumption that loud voices represent a majority. When it comes to products vocal antagonists are often not the majority.

 

[Sn0man]

Vocal isn't large.

The backlash to Amazon's Wheel of Time was vocal. It was large. And it ended with the cancellation of the show.

Large is large.

 

[fireproof78]

One of worst seasons of Trek ever produced. I can see it's appeal to nostalgic Boomers and Xers, but "good" it's not. (Should I post that on YouTube?)

Please do. It would be great. Also, then I could see the picture since it refuses to load.

 

[HotRod]

When a large portion of the fanbase reacts negatively, that means the creators have either strayed from those core principles, or the audience thinks they will - based on prior history.

Define what qualifies as a large portion of the audience.

The type of fan who will troll a YouTube comment section or Reddit thread is but an extremely small percentage of the overall viewing audience.

 

[Sn0man]

Define what qualifies as a large portion of the audience.

The type of fan who will troll a YouTube comment section or Reddit thread is but an extremely small percentage of the overall viewing audience.

How do you know that? Do you have access to the specific viewer data that the streaming services keep hidden away under lock and key?

Even if we were to ignore the comment sections we still have

The ratings chasm - the difference between "professional reviewers" and audience scores
Trades (IGN, Variety, Hollywood Reporter) discussing fan dissatisfaction or declining audiences
Sustained negative engagement over time (video dislikes, low view counts etc)

Even without streaming services releasing the data, the reception of a property by the "large portion of the audience" is easy to infer using a combination of these metrics.

 

[HotRod]

How do you know that?

I have a brain and a thing called common sense.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The backlash to Amazon's Wheel of Time was vocal. It was large. And it ended with the cancellation of the show.

Large is large.

Large is the entire fanbase not the folks on social media.

 

[Sn0man]

I have a brain and a thing called common sense.

"This is what I think, therefore that is the way things are"

 

[fireproof78]

"This is what I think, therefore that is the way things are"

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[HotRod]

"This is what I think, therefore that is the way things are"

Let us assume an average episode of Star Trek Whatever gets about 3 million viewers worldwide. That estimate might be a bit high or a bit low, but it is close enough. This covers the full global audience, not just North American streaming numbers, and they all have access to the internet and social media.

Now let us really stretch things and claim that one hundred thousand of those viewers are the kind who flock to Facebook, YouTube, and every comment section they can find to complain about Whatever. There is no reality in which the number is actually that high, but it keeps the math simple. Even with this exaggerated figure, that group represents only about 3.3 percent of the audience.

So if an inflated estimate puts the loud toxic crowd at just 3 percent, how exactly does that qualify as a “large” portion of the fandom? It does not. It is simply a very noisy minority trying to look bigger than it is.

 

[Tosk]

I can see it's appeal to nostalgic Boomers and Xers

Boomies.

 

[fireproof78]

an inflated estimate puts the loud toxic crowd at just 3 percent, how exactly does that qualify as a “large” portion of the fandom? It does not. It is simply a very noisy minority trying to look bigger than it is

It's attention seeking behavior desiring validation.

 

[Sn0man]

Pot, meet kettle.

I brought receipts

 

[fireproof78]

I brought receipts

Seeking to return?

 

[Mage]

"This is what I think, therefore that is the way things are"

You mean, literally everything you posted....?