Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

In the 20+ years I have been a contributor at Ex Astris Scientia, I have never shared any of Bernd's episode reviews (I don't do reviews but talk about visual details) but this #StarfleetAcademy editorial, I gladly will. https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/eastoday.htm#editorial

bsky.app

Even Bernd over at EAS is saying to give SFA a chance

Huh...isn't that odd?

 

[camdudetenger2018]

From what I gathered in Episode 2, the War College was formed during the Burn, and was the only organization training of Starfleet officers during that time.

I wonder if we'll see the War College fold into SFA at some point. I also imagine the two schools will be depicted as a rivals.

ya i was wondering how war collage was invented founded and created

because war collage was somewhat mentioned alot

 

[HotRod]

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

In the 20+ years I have been a contributor at Ex Astris Scientia, I have never shared any of Bernd's episode reviews (I don't do reviews but talk about visual details) but this #StarfleetAcademy editorial, I gladly will. https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/eastoday.htm#editorial

bsky.app

Even Bernd over at EAS is saying to give SFA a chance

Well, that’s enough proof for me that we’re truly living in the end times.

 

[Campe]

ya i was wondering how war collage was invented founded and created

because war collage was somewhat mentioned alot

I have this image in my head of all of these various images from wars from various magazines pasted on an 11x17” piece of construction paper.

 

[BillJ]

It does have me watching Prodigy and Lower Decks again.

 

[Firebird]

Well, that’s enough proof for me that we’re truly living in the end times.

Seriously. I had to read that statement thrice to make sure my eyes weren't deceiving me.

 

[StarTrek1701]

The first Iron Man and Hulk were 2008 films which actually predate Trek XI. Also, despite Marvel's involvement in both, they were produced by different studios, Iron Man was Paramount while Hulk was Universal.

Jesus Christ.
Yes, I am aware that those two movies were 2008 films but that was not the point I was making.

Review your history. The reason STID took so long was because Orci and Lindelof stopped writing the script while they argued for an entire year over whether to include Khan or not. That's not Paramount's fault.

It's completely Paramount's fault and Orci/Lindelof wasn't the issue.

How the Battle Over 'Star Trek' Rights Killed J.J. Abrams' Grand Ambitions

The franchise's licensing and merchandising rights are split between CBS and Paramount which created headaches for the multihyphenate's production company Bad Robot

www.thewrap.com

Competing ambitions between Paramount, CBS and Abrams' production company Bad Robot over merchandising surrounding the first film in the rebooted "Star Trek" franchise led the director to curtail plans to turn the series into a multi-platform experience that spanned television, digital entertainment and comic books, according to an individual with knowledge of the dispute.
"J.J. just threw up his hands," the individual told TheWrap. "The message was, 'Why set up all this when we'll just be competing against ourselves?' The studio wanted to please Bad Robot, but it was allowing CBS to say yay or nay when it came to what was happening with the 'Star Trek' products."

Review it yourself.

 

[fireproof78]

t's completely Paramount's fault and Orci/Lindelof wasn't the issue

Yeah, they were an issue.

 

[The Wormhole]

Jesus Christ.
Yes, I am aware that those two movies were 2008 films but that was not the point I was making.

It's completely Paramount's fault and Orci/Lindelof wasn't the issue.

How the Battle Over 'Star Trek' Rights Killed J.J. Abrams' Grand Ambitions

The franchise's licensing and merchandising rights are split between CBS and Paramount which created headaches for the multihyphenate's production company Bad Robot

www.thewrap.com

Review it yourself.

You didn't communicate your point clearly enough last time. You made it sound as though STID took so long because Paramount wasn't on board with Abrams's "Grand Plan." STID was postponed because of Orci and Lindelof, the two of them even admitted as much in interviews they did for the book The Fifty Year Mission in 2016. The point you're actually making is that because Paramount wasn't on board with this "Grand Plan" we didn't get further development of more Kelvin Timeline productions like more movies and TV shows.

And really, if they had followed Abrams's wishes, it would have meant effectively erasing 1966-2005 Star Trek altogether and focusing exclusively on his own productions. If Kurtzman suggested such a thing, everyone would riot in protest. Indeed, the Abrams Grand Plan means such a thing as Picard S3 could never happen, because it's attached to Star Trek which is no longer being acknowledged. Is this really the direction you wanted the franchise to take? I mean, really?.

 

[BillJ]

And really, if they had followed Abrams's wishes, it would have meant effectively erasing 1966-2005 Star Trek altogether and focusing exclusively on his own productions. If Kurtzman suggested such a thing, everyone would riot in protest. Indeed, the Abrams Grand Plan means such a thing as Picard S3 could never happen, because it's attached to Star Trek which is no longer being acknowledged. Is this really the direction you wanted the franchise to take? I mean, really?.

I think this is vastly overblown. It still would’ve been “Star Trek”, just without the timeline baggage.

 

[The Wormhole]

Abrams actually did want a "merchandise embargo" in place so that nothing related to Trek's legacy era could be sold, including novels and comics. He wanted it so that only merchandise related to the Kelvin movies could be sold. Which, when you combine that with the fact early Trek XI drafts actually had the supernova destroying the entire galaxy in 2387, well...

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Whereas, I would rather watch all of Discovery again than ever subject myself to the vast majority of Voyager, Enterprise or Picard.

Samuel Cockings (from YouTube's Trekyards) would take a swing at you for posting that about VOY.

 

[Campe]

And?

 

[BillJ]

Abrams actually did want a "merchandise embargo" in place so that nothing related to Trek's legacy era could be sold, including novels and comics. He wanted it so that only merchandise related to the Kelvin movies could be sold. Which, when you combine that with the fact early Trek XI drafts actually had the supernova destroying the entire galaxy in 2387, well...

Understandable. You don’t want to compete with yourself.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Samuel Cockings (from YouTube's Trekyards) would take a swing at you for posting that about VOY.

Fucks given = 0

ETA: in fact, in honor of Samuel Cockings, I will add Section 31 to that list of stuff I'd rather watch before Voyager.

 

[fireproof78]

Understandable. You don’t want to compete with yourself.

That was Abrams while argument. Coming in to a recession it made even more sense.

Is this really the direction you wanted the franchise to take? I mean, really?.

Yes!

 

[Fateor]

Abrams actually did want a "merchandise embargo" in place so that nothing related to Trek's legacy era could be sold, including novels and comics. He wanted it so that only merchandise related to the Kelvin movies could be sold. Which, when you combine that with the fact early Trek XI drafts actually had the supernova destroying the entire galaxy in 2387, well...

Given the cash cow that is Star Trek merchandising, it's a very good thing he was shut down.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Samuel Cockings (from YouTube's Trekyards) would take a swing at you for posting that about VOY.

Samuel Cockings doesn't have the upper body strength to swat a fly. Who gives a shit what he thinks.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Personally, I don't think it is tonally jarring to take out an enemy starship that just attacked a ship full of cadets. The Athena was heavily damaged, Starfleet was still too far away and the capabilities of the Venari Ral vessel were unknown. Taking out the weapons and engines may not have been enough. Ake did what she had to do to protect the ship and the cadets.

In an ideal world, it would be nice if Starfleet could talk their way out of every situation or stop a conflict without resorting to lethal means. But the reality is that quite often talking doesn't work and you have to punch the bully hard enough they leave you alone.

I was not saying it was unprecedented. I am just saying it isn't terribly consistent or well written aspect to the character. And the plot generally.

1) This is a character who resigned from Starfleet because they seperated a child from her criminal mom and is held up as an example to rerurning SFA to it's pre-Burn roots, and then you have her openly lamenting not being able to beam the intruders into space (despite the fact they could have destroyed her ship but didn't) and then blows them away without hesitation. You'd think she'd have either gone for targeting their weapons or power first.

But if they are so dangerous they merit a "terminate with prejudice" route, then why let Nus Braka just float away? It does not make any sense in either direction.

Now, having a character flip flop on morals & ethics is not new to Trek either. Take Spock in S1. He is all about terminating with extreme prejudice at some points (the salt vampre in Man Trap and Mitchell in WNMHGB), but has done a 180 by Gallileo Seven. Kirk offers help to disabled enemies (Corbomite Manuever, Ballance of Terror, Arena) and even lets Khan go in Space Seed. But threatens to have Scotty destroy the whole planet in Taste of Armageddon. Maybe a bluff, though.

I am not critical here because it is unprecedented, but because I didn't like it. Especially in situations where it does not appear absolutely necessary (Man Trap, SFA). Did not like it then, do not like it now. And in this case, appears contradictory to the character.

Now, in Gallileo Seven, Spock should have protected the crew first.

It does not mean the show is doomed or anything. But it was not a particularly good start IMHO.

I thought the 2nd ep was better and had less cringe.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Given the cash cow that is Star Trek merchandising, it's a very good thing he was shut down.

Every time I see JJ involved in something I like, I throw up in my mouth a little.